U.S. Presidential Candidates

[Smiley]

Ember said:

Sorry Comedian, but I don't think anyone REALLY likes either candidate. This election isn't about who's the best, it's about who's the "least worst."

Yes XD

And really, just to say "This candidate is better than the other" is pretty much attacking the other candidates' views... there's no way to tiptoe around it.

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Ninja said:

TC, I agree with the personalities part, but personal lives enter into this a great deal. How can we trust someone to run a country the way we want when they don't even lead a lifestyle you agree with? You have to take a look at personal lives to get an idea of how the country will be under them.

As for how the country is going to be run, I'm sorry, but John Kerry hasn't really talked about that at all. He's running on a couple platforms, but we've heard nearly nothing about what he'll do when he's in power. No one really knows what he'll do, so how can you even discuss that? The fact he lies/flipflops so much makes me worry about what would happen when he is in power.

I'm voting for Bush. In all honesty, I'm very happy with the way he runs things. He may not be the most eloquent person, and I hate his imigration policies, but there's more good in him than there is bad.

So you think Clinton was a bad President because he cheated on his wife? He didn't get us in any wars, he didn't attack innocent people, the economy didn't take a nose dive, and he actually cared about the citizens.

Bush is a *censored*. He's nothing but a *censored* *censored* *censored* moron. He didn't even show up for service in the National Guard. So what if Kerry shot himself to home back home (even though I've seen no proof of that)? At least he fought! Bush only joined the Natl. Guard to keep out of the war, because he's too chicken too even see what fighting in a war is about. Has he even been to Iraq? No, he sends innocent people to get blown up by car bombs.

You know what lines the rural roads in Iraq? Dead, flaming, rotting bodies. The bodies of people who only wanted to defend their country, just as Bush thinks he is doing by being on the offense. He's even started the "backdoor draft" as people have come to call it. He's calling back all soldiers who haven't been in service for eight years, plus National Guardsmen and women. Great idea, Bush, now that you're out of the National Guard (not like you were ever in it), it's time to call them into battle!

If I ever got to say something to Bush, it'd be this: "Hey, King George, I hear there's some great vacation spots in *insert state*. Why don't you go there for the rest of your life and let a human run the country?"

And Kerry has said how he's going to run the country. Maybe you shouldn't be a selective listener, and find out what a real man has to say.

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Prof. said:

Yes XD

And really, just to say "This candidate is better than the other" is pretty much attacking the other candidates' views... there's no way to tiptoe around it.

Well you don't have to state that. All I want is for people to say something like, "Candidate A is my choice because he believes in lowering taxes, giving money to schools, etc." Saying, "A is better than B...uh...duh...because he's less evil," isn't exactly an informed decision.

[Stal]

Actually, the economy tanked with Clinton. We're only now recovering from recession he took us into. Clinton was one of the worst Presidents to have been in office.

But I'm not going there. TC, I find it funny how you say you don't want anyone to attack the others and then you make the most blatant and insulting one out of all the posts.

And it really made you look intelligent with your statements.

You also proved our point. Thanks.

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Ninja said:

Actually, the economy tanked with Clinton. We're only now recovering from recession he took us into. Clinton was one of the worst Presidents to have been in office.

But I'm not going there. TC, I find it funny how you say you don't want anyone to attack the others and then you make the most blatant and insulting one out of all the posts.

And it really made you look intelligent with your statements. ::)

You also proved our point. Thanks.

Hey, everyone else was attacking Kerry, so I decided to give up on the rule too.

Oh, and one more thing: I'm not TC. If you keep referring to me as TC, people are going to get confused. Tambourine_chimp is TC.

[Buddy]

Well, since the rule is caput, anyways....

Lemme tell you how I precieve Bush. I don't hate him. But there is one, undeniable fact - the man is an idiot. He simply isn't that bright. What really made me laugh was earlier how Stal said he had a daily calender of Bushisms.

Now, when we can make a calender - a daily calender of, no less - of all the stupid things our President has said, well, that's just sad.

George Bush is the kind of President who can't do anything without an army of advisors around him telling him what to do. He really just isn't capable of taking in huge amounts of information at once, then making a decision from that. You can say what you want about Clinton - who certainly was far from a "perfect" President - but he could do that. He was smart. He was quick on his feet.

The perfect example of how Bush really reacts under pressure was on September 11th, the moment he was informed of the attacks. He sat there like a deer in the headlights. Without people around him, telling him - or, more offically, "advising" him - what to say, he froze. He didn't know what to do.

Any logical person would've gotten up that moment and walked out. You can say what you want - that he wanted to remain calm, that he didn't want to scare the children - but if you watch the video, you can see it on his face, see it in his eyes. Her froze. He wasn't sitting there because he thought it was the best thing to do. He simply couldn't do anything else - not without someone advising him on it.

Now, I know in the grand scheme of things, it didn't matter whether he got up right then and there, or whther he sat there for 7 minutes - the later of which he did. It wouldn't have made a lick of difference either way. But it goes to show Bush's real colors. Without an army of advisors, George Bush is just that - George Bush. He's not President Bush untill he has his army of people telling him how to do things.

And really, I'll be honest - that scares me.

And you can say what you want about Kerry, but you know, Kerry did volunteer for service. He did pull a fellow man out of the water. He did beach his boat, jump out, and chase down a Vietcong rebel who tried to shoot a rocket at them. Most people would've turned and gotten the hell outta there as fast as possible. Kerry didn't - he charged in and took that guy on.

You can say what you want - that he's a liar, that he's a flip-flopper. And you know, to some degree, you'd probably be right. But keep in mind that while Kerry was out there charging into enemy fire on the rivers and deltas of Vietnam, Bush was back home dodging the draft by joining the National Guard - his duty to which is still under controversy to this day.

They made a big deal about how Kerry might have or might not have thrown his medals away. Well, at least Kerry had medals to throw away - a whole slew of them, at that.

Now, if you take these areas out of question (I try to, as I'm not convinced that whether or not you foguth in Vietnam really makes that big of a difference as Commander-in-Chief), then the two are relatively even from my perspective. Kerry doesn't have the views I agree with, but Bush is just plain stupid.

And I hate stupid people.

I don't judge the President on the economy - I think that's a load of crap. One man cannot possibly have that much power over the whole economy, especially one as large as ours.

You know why the economy was better under CLinton? 'Cause at that point in time, the internet and surrounding computer companies was just coming into being. There was a huge serge in the market of companies starting up and people getting rich. So the economy was good.

Then, just before Bush came into office, the "bubble burst" - the market became saturated with all the internet and computer companies - there were too many companies trying to provide the same service. So, many of them went bankrupt, and a lot of people who had invested heavily in these companies lost their money.

That, from what I see, is what happened. Now, I'm not a pro on the economy, so if I'm wrong, please, pray tell. But, if that's the case, then how can you blame anybody? The economy goes up, the economy goes down. It's the way of life. Presidents run on the economy for one simple reason - there's always going to be a lower class who needs money, a middle class who has money but could use more, and an upper class to blame for there not being enough money.

That's why every single President always has - and always will - run on the economy. And that's why I don't allow their "economic plans" to come into play for me.

[Stal]

TheComedian said:

Hey, everyone else was attacking Kerry, so I decided to give up on the rule too.

Oh, and one more thing: I'm not TC. If you keep referring to me as TC, people are going to get confused. Tambourine_chimp is TC.

As long as you decided to, that's fine. I just thought it was funny how you lashed like that and then in the next post go back to talking about the rule.

Also, I know who you are. TC as in "The Comedian" until I'm provided with something else to call you, I will call you TC. I refer to Tamborine Chimp as...Chimp.

Or something like that.

Buddy, you're right about the economy thing as far as I'm concerned. But with someone who believes different sometimes you have to argue their own facts against them, even if you don't believe they're facts, if you understand what I'm saying.

So, Buddy, you say any other person would've done something different...but how do we know? If I had been in his position, I would've done the same thing. Do you consider me intelligent or in need of advisors?

[Buddy]

Ninja said:

So, Buddy, you say any other person would've done something different...but how do we know? If I had been in his position, I would've done the same thing. Do you consider me intelligent or in need of advisors?

I find that hard to believe. If an aid walked in and wispered "Mister President, the country is under attack," I know I would've gotten right up, announcing "Ladies and gentleman, I'm afraid another more pressing issue has come up and I must leave."

I can't see any reasonable person doing anything else.

Furthermore, had Clinton sat there for 7 minutes, they would've crucified him. They'd have beaten that horse to death, then hung him out to dry.

And honestly, they'd have had good reason.

[Crystal]

Buddy said:

I find that hard to believe. If an aid walked in and wispered "Mister President, the country is under attack," I know I would've gotten right up, announcing "Ladies and gentleman, I'm afraid another more pressing issue has come up and I must leave."

I can't see any reasonable person doing anything else.

Furthermore, had Clinton sat there for 7 minutes, they would've crucified him. They'd have beaten that horse to death, then hung him out to dry.

And honestly, they'd have had good reason.

You know, I can't really blame him. I mean, the US hadn't been under attack for ages. He might have seen the reports but he certainly wasn't expecting it.

Everyone reacts to different situations differently. And actually, I hate to say it, but you DO seem - well, to me, anyway - like you're wringing him out and hanging him out to dry... Sorry, but you really do.

Eh, what do I know about American politics. Give me happy, no-bashing, uncomplicated Malaysian ones any day.

[Stal]

You know what I don't get?

Kerry swore in front of congress that he and his comrades all commited these atrocious war crimes over in Vietnam. He said these things to try and end the war which he only served 4 months[/i] in (Yeah. 4 Months. Not that great tour Kerry claims, eh?). They were lies of course, but he makes great claims that they're true. Even said so in his recent book.

Then why isn't he being indicted for charges of war crimes, if they're true? And why would we want a war criminal to be in the White House? If he's lying (which he is, he has yet to offer any proof and there's plenty of witnesses that claim otherwise), where's the charges of purjory?

Also, if he fought so much to end that war. If he hated the war so much. If he commited all these attrocities he says he did.... Why does he keep bringing up time-and-time again that he served in Vietnam as if he were the only hero to have come from it?

Despicable.

[Buddy]

Ninja said:

You know what I don't get?

Kerry swore in front of congress that he and his comrades all commited these atrocious war crimes over in Vietnam. He said these things to try and end the war which he only served 4 months

[/i] in (Yeah. 4 Months. Not that great tour Kerry claims, eh?). They were lies of course, but he makes great claims that they're true. Even said so in his recent book.

Then why isn't he being indicted for charges of war crimes, if they're true? And why would we want a war criminal to be in the White House? If he's lying (which he is, he has yet to offer any proof and there's plenty of witnesses that claim otherwise), where's the charges of purjory?

Also, if he fought so much to end that war. If he hated the war so much. If he commited all these attrocities he says he did.... Why does he keep bringing up time-and-time again that he served in Vietnam as if he were the only hero to have come from it?

Despicable.[/quote]

Well, I don't really know much about those claims, so I can't really argue or defend what you said.

However, I do know why he keeps bringing it up - he fought in Vietnam, Bush didn't. Now, whether or not that would help someone be a good President is anyone's guest - I'm sure it can't hurt, though it's certainly not the most important thing to me.

And Crystal, I try not to ask too much of our President. I ask that he tell the truth, at least as much as we can expect a politican to do. I expect him to try present our country in a good light. I ask that he take us to war when nessecary, negotiate when nessecary. And as I said before, I cut him big breaks when it comes to the economy.

However, when a President takes 7 minutes to react to the news "Mister President, the country is under attack," well, I'm sorry. But to me, that's just unacceptable. No one should remain in a class room, listening to children read when they've been informed that the country is under attack. Whether or not he could've done something is, to me, unconsequential. Heck, if he had simply gotten up and done the chicken dance, I'd have been pleased.

But I don't like to see our President sit there, listening to children read with the full knowledge that something big is going down.

Perhaps I'm making too much of a deal over that. Yes, I know - he couldn't have done a thing either way. But to me, that's all the proof I need to show me that, when it comes to the heat of the moment, Bush will freeze. And when you freeze - be it in war, on a soccer field, or on a video game - you lose.

[thegreenmooseofdoom]

Buddy said:

And when you freeze - be it in war, on a soccer field, or on a video game - you lose.

Unless you're playing freeze tag.



...*gets pelted with tomatoes*

[Crystal]

thegreenmooseofdoom said:

Unless you're playing freeze tag.



...*gets pelted with tomatoes*

I concede point, Buddifer.

[Jessica Coconut]

You guys should see this. It's a little clip thing. Kerry and bush are singing a twisted version of "This land is my land, this land is your land"

atomfilms.shockwave.com/contentPlay/shockwave.jsp?id=this_land&preplay=1

I suppose it's just a tad off-topic. Oh, and anyone that can't stand the word a-- shouldn't watch it. (it's only in twice)

[Crystal]

Jessica said:

You guys should see this. It's a little clip thing. Kerry and bush are singing a twisted version of "This land is my land, this land is your land"

atomfilms.shockwave.com/contentPlay/sh
I suppose it's just a tad off-topic. Oh, and anyone that can't stand the word a-- shouldn't watch it. (it's only in twice)

I think Pat posted that link before - it doesn't work now. Hilarious, though!