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Post by Princess Ember Mononoke on Jul 7, 2004 22:48:31 GMT -5
Nah, let's just have them fixed. Probably a worse fate for people who are so obsessed with proving how macho they are that they have to own tough dogs and fight them, and it will keep them from spreading their own ignorance either genetically or through their child-raising skills. That's so evil! I love it!
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Post by teghan62 on Jul 8, 2004 0:56:04 GMT -5
o_O Actually, there's many sports for dogs. One is agility (I participate in it. It's fun. :D) in which the dog is trained to run around in an obstacle course. Another is dog shows where they run around the ring and look pretty. I'd say another one is hunting, and some dogs enjoy that (plus they get good exercise) but my least favorite one of all is... sparring. e_e It's a dog sport. People take dogs and make them fight each other for their amusement, sometimes even to the death. Now, those people should not have a dog, and THEY should be the ones who are "fixed." :P
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Post by Tdyans on Jul 8, 2004 1:11:18 GMT -5
Actually, there's many sports for dogs. One is agility (I participate in it. It's fun. ) in which the dog is trained to run around in an obstacle course. Another is dog shows where they run around the ring and look pretty. I'd say another one is hunting, and some dogs enjoy that (plus they get good exercise) but my least favorite one of all is... sparring. e_e It's a dog sport. People take dogs and make them fight each other for their amusement, sometimes even to the death. Now, those people should not have a dog, and THEY should be the ones who are "fixed." Those are the people I was referring to (jokingly, bat-weilders). I mean, when you say "sparring," that's the same as illegal dog fighting-- which is what I've been talking about this whole time since it's pretty much the reason for the breed bans-- correct?
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Post by teghan62 on Jul 8, 2004 11:55:14 GMT -5
Those are the people I was referring to (jokingly, bat-weilders). I mean, when you say "sparring," that's the same as illegal dog fighting-- which is what I've been talking about this whole time since it's pretty much the reason for the breed bans-- correct? ... I just remembered that. XD *slow*
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Post by Princess Ember Mononoke on Jul 8, 2004 13:00:38 GMT -5
Actually, there's many sports for dogs. One is agility (I participate in it. It's fun. ) in which the dog is trained to run around in an obstacle course. Another is dog shows where they run around the ring and look pretty. I'd say another one is hunting, and some dogs enjoy that (plus they get good exercise) but my least favorite one of all is... sparring. e_e It's a dog sport. People take dogs and make them fight each other for their amusement, sometimes even to the death. Now, those people should not have a dog, and THEY should be the ones who are "fixed." That's who we meant.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2004 14:55:42 GMT -5
Gah, dog fighting. I hate all dog fighters to absolute death. You've got a good punishment thought up, Tdyans, but I can improve... have them fixed and whacked over the head with a big bat! YAY! Really, there isn't punishment harsh enough for those stupids... I think they get some jail time and then go right back out and fight more dogs. Either that, or they just get a fine. Don't quote me on that, though, 'cause I'm not sure.
Yeah, and that pretty much is the reason for banning pit bulls... because they're the most popular fighting breed, so these weirdos who make the laws think that they can get people to stop fighting dogs by making pit bulls illegal. Sheesh, yeah right. It's not like dog fighting was legal in the first place... they were already breaking the law anyway, and if you outlaw the dog, too, they're just breaking the law more, and do you seriously thing they will care? No, those retards just want to see the dogs kill eachother. Pah, idiots. And if pitbulls become too hard to get, they'll probably just start using ANOTHER dog breed. So then that one can be illegal too! Oh, joy.
Yes, I saw that episode. I think they were saying that the father was a border collie. The police probably try to find any loop hole they can, though, because I bet they don't like that law either. No animal lover in their right mind would.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2004 21:14:48 GMT -5
I'd just like to note something.
It's true that some dogs are born violent. Not whole breeds, just individuals.
I had a cocker spaniel once, a very cute one too. He was also very intelligent, sometimes he'd arrange his toys in a line, from smallest to biggest. We treated him just like the dogs we had in the past (they all turned out fine). Well, he didn't like being punished (we'd put him in the bathroom for a half hour or so). As he grew older, he decided he wasn't going to be punished anymore. So, if we tried to take him to the bathroom, he'd attack us. Not all-out viciousness, just warning bites (although blood was spilled by us). He grew more and more violent, and started attacking us just for going near him when he was doing something he knew he wasn't supposed to be doing.
We later found out that he was epileptic and bipolar, so now we're not sure if his violence was caused by those or just his intelligence. Either way, that shows that some dogs are naturally violent.
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Post by Tdyans on Jul 8, 2004 21:34:38 GMT -5
Incidentally, as far as numbers go, more people are actually bitten by cocker spaniels and poodles than by pit bulls. The problem is that the pit bulls who do bite are more likely to cause more damage than a different breed just because of how they're built.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2004 23:05:05 GMT -5
Incidentally, as far as numbers go, more people are actually bitten by cocker spaniels and poodles than by pit bulls. The problem is that the pit bulls who do bite are more likely to cause more damage than a different breed just because of how they're built. Let me tell you, those spaniel bites hurt! When a big dog bites you, especially when playing, it doesn't hurt so much (if the teeth don't sink in) because of how far around you their mouths can get. Small dogs, however, have a tendency to pinch the skin.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2004 10:43:27 GMT -5
Yeep... I do have to admit that at times some small dogs can get quite evil. The cocker spaniel incident, though, wasn't exactly what we were talking about when we said born vicious, since that dog was epileptic and bipolar... if I had that many problems, I think I'd bite people too.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2004 17:28:46 GMT -5
Yeep... I do have to admit that at times some small dogs can get quite evil. The cocker spaniel incident, though, wasn't exactly what we were talking about when we said born vicious, since that dog was epileptic and bipolar... if I had that many problems, I think I'd bite people too. Well, it still goes to show that some dogs are vicious no matter how they're raised.
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Post by sharakh on Jul 10, 2004 2:12:38 GMT -5
I am of the mindset that the responsibility of a dog's behavior does indeed lie with the owner, primarily. If raised and trained properly, no particular breed of dog will be vicious. (Individual dogs may be due to certain mental illnesses, but the breeds themselves are not the problem.)
Let me tell you a story.
When I was growing up, I lived next to a certain lady who let her dogs just run loose around the neighborhood. She didn't care -- didn't let them in when it was raining, didn't do much of anything besides occasionally put out food.
When one of her dogs was found dead from poisoning (which we believed to be someone in the neighborhood trying to make a morbid point -- horrid thing to do, but really, the woman was not paying one bit of attention), she didn't get the hint. Over the years, she got more dogs, and treated them exactly the same way.
We called Animal Control on her a few times, disgusted with the way she was treating her animals. Our own dogs had a large backyard, but they were fenced in and kept on our property. Eventually she was pressured to erect a fence. So she did. A 4' high chain-link fence that her dogs, being rather large, could leap right over.
This continued for some time. We tossed her dogs' leavings in our yard back over the fence and occasionally called Animal Control when things got bad. The dogs fought with each other -- they weren't trained in the slightest. I'd be surprised if they even knew their names. Still, nothing much happened...
..and then, one day, I came home late to find that my own dog, the sweetest Australian Shepherd in the world, had been taken to the animal hospital. My parents had come home to find Zach (the Aussie) with his collar pushed up nearly around his ears. He was drenched in spit and blood. When they tried to move the collar, he screamed. So they took him to the hospital, and found that he had a wide gash across his throat, along with several scratches and cuts along his neck. It was a wonder nothing vital had been damaged. After looking at the cuts, it was confirmed that it was an animal attack.
Now the coyotes hadn't been active around that time of year, and there'd been no strange animals prowling about... beyond, of course, that woman's loose dogs.
My heart about broke when I came to get my dog in the morning the next day. He was shaved from the neck up -- past that, the only fur that remained was a small mask around his eyes and muzzle, and the wisps on the tip of his ears. Rake marks were everywhere along his neck, and the main gash was a mess of stitches with a drain.
Never had I been so angry at that woman. And we called Animal Control again. She was forced to put up a bigger fence, but the dogs learned to jump that one, too, so she locked them in a 10'x 3' "kennel" all the time when she was away.
The thing was -- the dogs she owned were all breeds I'd seen raised to be gentle, sweet creatures in others' hands. But she just didn't understand, didn't care, and it nearly cost my dog his life.
So, yes. The breed of dog isn't really at fault when it comes to behavior -- it's the owner, plain and simple. Breed is an excuse to escape the responsibility of properly caring for one's animal.
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Post by Crystal on Jul 10, 2004 5:10:17 GMT -5
That's horrible, Sharakh! Disgusting and totally inhumane...
I feel the urge to do something bad to that woman.
Sometimes, though, you just don't know what is it.
My cousin has a dog, two actually. She had to put down one recently for biting. They're two sisters, both unmarried and living in the same house with my aunt, who's suffering from Parkinsons. Now, they treat the dogs very well. Pamper them, give them tidbits, treat them very well, a lot better than I treat mine, which is the sister of one of her dogs.
Then that dog - my dog's brother - bit one of them. It was quite a bad one, I think she'd had to get stitches. Fortunately, it didn't get infected because the dog was quite clean. This was the second time this'd happened. The dog had to be put down because the elder of the cousins teaches music (I'm one of the students). She couldn't afford to have a dog bite some little kid.
Now, there was no reason for that dog to bite anyone. It was fed well. Treated better than my own dog in fact, and mine is one of the sweetest animals I've ever known. It couldn't have been breed because he's my dog's brother and my dog has never chased or bitten anything. It's been pampered since puppyhood. The cousin whom it bit wasn't doing anything threatening or out of the ordinary both times she was bitten. There was no reason for it to bite anyone... yet why did it?
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Post by teghan62 on Jul 10, 2004 10:58:40 GMT -5
Oh my, Sharkah. But I think Animal Control was at a fault there too. --; "Just build a fence and then stfu so we can do other stuff." Didn't even bother to check how high the fence was, but they should have just completely taken her dogs away, banned her from getting anymore and fined her a large, large sum of money. Idiots like that don't deserve such animals that can become loyal companions, hell, they don't deserve much anything. Now, there was no reason for that dog to bite anyone. It was fed well. Treated better than my own dog in fact, and mine is one of the sweetest animals I've ever known. It couldn't have been breed because he's my dog's brother and my dog has never chased or bitten anything. It's been pampered since puppyhood. The cousin whom it bit wasn't doing anything threatening or out of the ordinary both times she was bitten. There was no reason for it to bite anyone... yet why did it? Maybe it felt threatened. Dogs just don't attack without reason, unless they have some kind of mental disorder, but then again, that's kind of a reason. But my point still stands clear, dogs don't attack without reason. Ask experts They'll probably say the same thing. X3;
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2004 18:18:41 GMT -5
Ohhh, Sharakh, that's horrible... your poor baby (dog, I call them babies). Animal Control should've confiscated all that woman's dogs. No one should lock their dogs in a kennel 24/7, and no one should just let their dogs roam free. I have the urge to whack something... or a certain someone...
*sigh* Stories like that make me sad. Stupid people just shouldn't be allowed to have pets. They don't DESERVE them!
And again, I'm so sorry about your poor Aussie. That's awful.
And one of the worst things is, now I bet all those breeds of dogs have a bad rap around your neighborhood... yeesh, and I wouldn't blame people for developing a bad opinion if the dogs really did run wild like that.
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