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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2003 21:35:44 GMT -5
In Issue 2, there was a series called The SuperNeos, which ran from 2-5, and then a short story as a sequel in Issue 6.
I've been wanting to write a new adventure for The SuperNeos, since I've enjoyed the story (although written in the way most stories were written a year and some ago) and its characters. The characters in the story were not dynamic, they were just flat, and I wanted to re-invent The SuperNeos with the same characters, but a better storyline, "better" character details, and overall a better story.
The writer of the series, legendofzelda16, had not written anything else for the Times besides those stories. However, the account doesn't even exist anymore.
Thus brings about my question:
I have no way of getting permission to continue the legacy of The SuperNeos, so what do I do? I really want to write the story, and it's not like I'm too lazy to think of my own characters, it's just I really like them and want to improve upon them and the central idea of it all. What should I do? (If worse comes to wrose, I'll just write my own characters and such...)
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Post by peachifruit on Feb 19, 2003 21:43:36 GMT -5
NOOOO, SIMSMAN! Don't DO it!
Sorry. I just think it's best to have an author's permission before continuing their story--gone from the Times or not. Also, your motive is a bit iffy.
Come, now. How would you like someone to say that about your comics? It sounds a lot like, "This was good, but I can make it better, so I'll go ahead and do it." What your idea of improving upon them might be completely ruining them in the original author's eyes. Apparently, if the author didn't want to do anything else with them, they just didn't write any more, and that's the way it should stay.
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Post by sollunaestrella on Feb 19, 2003 21:46:16 GMT -5
NOOOO, SIMSMAN! Don't DO it! Sorry. I just think it's best to have an author's permission before continuing their story--gone from the Times or not. Also, your motive is a bit iffy. Come, now. How would you like someone to say that about your comics? It sounds a lot like, "This was good, but I can make it better, so I'll go ahead and do it." What your idea of improving upon them might be completely ruining them in the original author's eyes. Apparently, if the author didn't want to do anything else with them, they just didn't write any more, and that's the way it should stay. I agree. If you want to do a "SuperNeo" type thing, go ahead; just make up your own characters and make it your own, not trying to act superior to legendofzelda16. I'm not saying that you are; I'm just saying that it may come off that way to some people. Maybe legendofzelda16 is now on a new account and reads the Times. If he/she sees you doing this, he'll/she'll think you're copying and/or trashing him/her//his/her story. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2003 22:36:00 GMT -5
Yes, I'd have to agree to all of that. Just some up with your own characters, and you'll get much more joy out of them^^
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Post by stoneman3x on Feb 20, 2003 3:21:44 GMT -5
I concur totally. It's bad form to copy, unless it's for the purposes of satire-- and even then permission to do so is considered a professional courtesy. You could change the name to SuperDuperNeos or something and do your own characters and it would be far better. There is no such thing as noble plagarism.
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Post by stoneman3x on Feb 20, 2003 3:26:32 GMT -5
I also wanted to add that since you posted the question here, it seems to me you must have known in your heart that it wasn't a good idea just to go ahead and do it, and the fact that you asked for other opinions shows that you really do care about doing the right thing. That's an admirable quality. I salute you.
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Post by TK on Feb 20, 2003 18:13:15 GMT -5
Like peachi said, it's just sort of rude. You're trying to improve someone's work. I'd hate to have someone neomail me saying "Your story was good, but I'm going to reinvent it so it's better."
But even if you weren't planning on improving it, still a no-no. It's someone elses story. Even if they gave you permission, I wouldn't be surprised if they wanted you to do it a 'certain way'.
But I think a super-hero story would be a good idea. There's a lot of them (including my Time Twisters!) but I don't get sick of them. Each villan is different, does a different thing, each super hero is different and has a different super power.
Just make a super-hero story but change the character names, personality, and the little details (eg. powers, species, super base, friends, enemies). You're making a completely new one.
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Post by Lappi on Feb 20, 2003 18:17:12 GMT -5
I agree with Stone, and Peachi. It is a bit rude, and it's good that you posted it here and thought about it before you went on and wrote it.
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Post by noremac9 on Feb 20, 2003 18:24:07 GMT -5
Umm, let's see, how can I say this without using the sentence "I concur." and calling it a day? Let's put it this way.
(Simulation, not real situation!) I think Bucky the Babaa was good comic, but a little boring. However, since the writer OBVIOUSLY doesn't play anymore, I think I'll improve it. Y'know, I can do a much better job with Bucky, and I'll take it in a whole new direction. After all, the last time the author was in was 94, and it's up to issue 186 now!
Sound good? Didn't think so.
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Post by mirror on Feb 20, 2003 20:13:19 GMT -5
Umm, let's see, how can I say this without using the sentence "I concur." and calling it a day? Let's put it this way. (Simulation, not real situation!) I think Bucky the Babaa was good comic, but a little boring. However, since the writer OBVIOUSLY doesn't play anymore, I think I'll improve it. Y'know, I can do a much better job with Bucky, and I'll take it in a whole new direction. After all, the last time the author was in was 94, and it's up to issue 186 now! Sound good? Didn't think so. I agree.legendofzelda16 wouldn't like it any more than you would. |
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Post by Sims hasnt signed in today on Feb 20, 2003 20:39:11 GMT -5
I actually (surprisingly) agree with all of you. However, I"m not really saying that Legendofzelda16's work was bad--I loved it, which is the reason I'd like to continue upon it. I guess since there are so many harsh feelings about this, I could just make a whole new story with a similar storyline (power crystals, i guess, and the type before the name of the pet...)--that's pretty much all I like, so there really isn't a need to continue his/her story. Thanx, people, I'll do a new one. But for all you who apparently are mad at me for wanting to do it, you should tone it down a bit. No need to yell at me for asking a simple question--and lots of you REALLY need to stop making conclusions. "Oh, don't trash the story!" and "How would you like it if you didn't get permission from someone who there is no possible way to get permission from!" Stop making decisions that reflect what I "want" to do--I never wanted to trash the story, I NEVER said it was bad, I never insulted it---so stop assuming I'm doing so, please. Also, stoneman (i think that was you), thanx for the salute.  |
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Post by me not signed again on Feb 20, 2003 20:43:43 GMT -5
However, since the writer OBVIOUSLY doesn't play anymore, I think I'll improve it. Y'know, I can do a much better job with Bucky, and I'll take it in a whole new direction. After all, the last time the author was in was 94, and it's up to issue 186 now! See, that's the kind of thing I'm talking about--I NEVER said that! "However, since the writer OBVIOUSLY doesn't play anymore, I think I'll improve it." I said that to show how there is no way I can ask permission!!!!! I'm not saying since he/she is gone, I can take it over!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The whole thing about an early early issue is that, if you look at it, there's just nto much detail and such in the story--No, I'm not trashing it, but there is not much "story" to the story! In early issues, if you look, the writing and such is not that good--it was a year and a half ago! The guidelines were not as strict, Neopets was younger, and there were less entries in the Times in the first place, so lots of stuff made it in! I honestly all ya'll that assumed that I thought something that I didn't should take a chill pill, and try to READ what I write next time--it's really annoying to see people misinterpret what you say, and then think a whole new way of you. |
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Post by peachifruit on Feb 20, 2003 20:46:26 GMT -5
But for all you who apparently are mad at me for wanting to do it, you should tone it down a bit. No need to yell at me for asking a simple question--and lots of you REALLY need to stop making conclusions. "Oh, don't trash the story!" and "How would you like it if you didn't get permission from someone who there is no possible way to get permission from!" Stop making decisions that reflect what I "want" to do--I never wanted to trash the story, I NEVER said it was bad, I never insulted it---so stop assuming I'm doing so, please. Last time I checked this board, I don't think anyone was mad at you or anything. It's just that your motive sounded a tad rude--you did say the characters were flat, which is a bit of an insult. Maybe I misinterpreted that. |
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Post by Tdyans on Feb 20, 2003 21:23:24 GMT -5
I guess since there are so many harsh feelings about this, I could just make a whole new story with a similar storyline (power crystals, i guess, and the type before the name of the pet...)-- If those are ideas from the original story-- I haven't read it-- you might even still want to include a little note at the end of your story maybe acknowledging your inspiration. I don't think anyone was acting angrily or yelling at you, nor were they projecting what you were saying. Rather, they were telling you how what you were saying/planning *might look* to other people. Whether that's what you actually intended or not, that's a good thing to know. You can have perfectly good intentions, but if they come out wrong, you're still in trouble. |
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Post by starhamster on Feb 20, 2003 21:29:02 GMT -5
The points all made here are valid; I know that just because I haven't written about one of my characters in a while doesn't mean I'm not constructing their adventures and personality in my head...
If you are going to do this, you'd have to tread very, very carefully indeed - if you rename characters and tweak the plot concept enough to make it your own creation but 'based' off this person's idea, it can be done, but don't start plagiarizing or you're done for. That's why I'd shy away from something like this, but if you think it can be done...
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