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Post by Shinko on May 23, 2016 15:13:23 GMT -5
I want adventure in the great wide somewhere
I want it more than I can teeeeeell~
So how about that marketing. Revisiting two much beloved childhood classics in one swoop- yes, that voice you hear at the end is Emma Watson playing the part of Belle. |
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Post by Kyn on May 24, 2016 5:28:04 GMT -5
OH THE NOSTALGIA T^T
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Post by Ian Wolf-Park on May 25, 2016 18:37:38 GMT -5
I think this one will be a tough act to follow compared to the original 1991 animated version, considering it is one of the Disney Renaissance films.
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Post by Shinko on May 25, 2016 18:42:25 GMT -5
That, and it will be immensely distracting trying to see anybody but Hermione Granger in the lead role.
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Post by Yoyti on May 26, 2016 9:11:15 GMT -5
I had an epiphany the other day connected to this; Alan Menken is arguably one of the most important and influential musical theater writers ever, up there with Hammerstein and Sondheim. But not due to innovation, but rather reach. He's the composer behind basically every Disney Renaissance musical except Lion King and Mulan. Alan Menken did The Little Mermaid, Beauty And The Beast, Aladdin, Hercules, Pocahontas, and Hunchback -- not to mention Newsies. While The Lion King may be more individually popular than any of those, Alan Menken basically designed the sound and feel of the genre now known as "Disney musical." He was ninety percent of the soundtrack of an entire generation of Disney and the kids that grew up with those films, and therefore many kids' first exposure to musical drama (I can't say musical theater, because movies aren't theater, but "musical drama" is close enough). And while Disney is branching out and getting more (and more modern) composers with the new wave of Disney musicals, Alan Menken is still going strong with Enchanted and Tangled (both of which prove his ability to adapt to the more modern scene while still maintaining a sense of traditionalism), and he's even writing new songs for this remake of Beauty And The Beast!
And all this from the guy whose first major musical was Little Shop Of Horrors.
TL;DR: Alan Menken is pretty awesome.
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Post by Shinko on May 26, 2016 13:47:48 GMT -5
I had an epiphany the other day connected to this; Alan Menken is arguably one of the most important and influential musical theater writers ever, up there with Hammerstein and Sondheim. But not due to innovation, but rather reach. He's the composer behind basically every Disney Renaissance musical except Lion King and Mulan. Alan Menken did The Little Mermaid, Beauty And The Beast, Aladdin, Hercules, Pocahontas, and Hunchback -- not to mention Newsies. While The Lion King may be more individually popular than any of those, Alan Menken basically designed the sound and feel of the genre now known as "Disney musical." He was ninety percent of the soundtrack of an entire generation of Disney and the kids that grew up with those films, and therefore many kids' first exposure to musical drama (I can't say musical theater, because movies aren't theater, but "musical drama" is close enough). And while Disney is branching out and getting more (and more modern) composers with the new wave of Disney musicals, Alan Menken is still going strong with Enchanted and Tangled (both of which prove his ability to adapt to the more modern scene while still maintaining a sense of traditionalism), and he's even writing new songs for this remake of Beauty And The Beast! And all this from the guy whose first major musical was Little Shop Of Horrors. TL;DR: Alan Menken is pretty awesome. Not disputing you on this writer's talent, but Newsies seems an odd thing to cite while touting his laurels. I know it has a bit of a cult following now, but wasn't it a complete flop when it first released? XD |
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Post by Yoyti on May 26, 2016 14:14:58 GMT -5
Not disputing you on this writer's talent, but Newsies seems an odd thing to cite while touting his laurels. I know it has a bit of a cult following now, but wasn't it a complete flop when it first released? XD I figured it was worth mentioning, because even though it wasn't a very successful movie, it did do well on Broadway. |
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Post by Dju on May 27, 2016 8:47:38 GMT -5
I wouldn't be too concerned with the "1991 vs. 2017" aspect of this movie. I don't expect that Disney intends to put them against each other in front of the public and ask "heeey, which versions do you think is better?" It will be more of "heeey, remember that movie you grew up with? Well, it's back now with the same songs and lines of dialogue, but with a massive amount of CGI and an insanely expensive cast!" I am quite sure I will enjoy this as much as I enjoyed The Jungle Book, but I'm not really looking forward to a different approach to the the story of The Beauty and The Beast. What I imagine the production is concerned about surpassing is the 2014 french live action movie. That movie is...is...well, it is remarkable, and I honestly believe it's simply the best live action adaptation that's out there. Not only for the stunning visuals, but also because of the dark and even sometimes dirtubing approach to the story. Disney's got itself a worthy opponent at last. |
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Post by downrightdude on May 27, 2016 14:36:37 GMT -5
Hope it's better than the Cinderella remake.
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Post by Breakingchains on Jun 12, 2016 18:29:39 GMT -5
But why?
I mean, I don't want to rain on anyone's parade or anything, it's cool if you're looking forward to it. But I tend to think the only real use of a remake is if the original film was promising or popular but in some way got botched, or is in dire need of an update in order to remain accessible. Why trot out a remake for a film that is wildly popular, remains well-executed by modern standards, is widely available and has been religiously preserved?
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Post by Shinko on Jun 12, 2016 18:45:47 GMT -5
But why? I mean, I don't want to rain on anyone's parade or anything, it's cool if you're looking forward to it. But I tend to think the only real use of a remake is if the original film was promising or popular but in some way got botched, or is in dire need of an update in order to remain accessible. Why trot out a remake for a film that is wildly popular, remains well-executed by modern standards, is widely available and has been religiously preserved? Money. |
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Post by Gelquie on Jun 12, 2016 19:09:35 GMT -5
But why? I mean, I don't want to rain on anyone's parade or anything, it's cool if you're looking forward to it. But I tend to think the only real use of a remake is if the original film was promising or popular but in some way got botched, or is in dire need of an update in order to remain accessible. Why trot out a remake for a film that is wildly popular, remains well-executed by modern standards, is widely available and has been religiously preserved? Money. Easy money, for that matter, due to how well known the name is and/or how nostalgic it may be. Which is generally the motive I see behind most remakes. (And that motive and thought process behind it is also why I generally tend to shy away from films that are remakes or adaptations, particularly if the original was already good. They seem to be more riding than name and memories than bringing anything new or more to the table.) But at the same time, well, if they don't add anything new to the plot or improve any elements, maybe they'll at least give it a different look or different tone? And maybe some people would be interested in a live action adaptation over the animated one just to see a different take on it. Different strokes for different folks, I guess. Personally, I'unno, I'm generally skeptical of these kind of things. It's the same skepticism I felt when I heard the live adaptation of Cinderella was coming out. |
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Post by Ian Wolf-Park on Jun 12, 2016 19:29:03 GMT -5
Gelquie and Breakingchains- It's precisely the reason why I said that this will be a tough act to follow. As far as I know, there will be some new songs, but here's a twist. They will not be songs from the stage adaptation, but rather, new ones created specifically for the live action film
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Post by Gelquie on Jun 12, 2016 19:37:19 GMT -5
Gelquie and Breakingchains- It's precisely the reason why I said that this will be a tough act to follow. As far as I know, there will be some new songs, but here's a twist. They will not be songs from the stage adaptation, but rather, new ones created specifically for the live action film Thaaaat does bring some intrigue, then. It's something new to the table, and heck, now it's kind of tempting me. xD (Though I probably won't see it in theaters. I'll probably just look up the songs to see what they are and judge how good they are then. Unless people come back saying the movie is absolutely 200% more amazing.) |
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Post by Breakingchains on Jun 12, 2016 19:49:20 GMT -5
Well, money, yeah. xD; But if you want to make money off Beauty and the Beast, is making an entire new Beauty and the Beast (which, let's face it, can only do worse than the original) really the most efficient way to go about that? Seems like an awfully big expenditure for something that will inevitably get hit with snobby purist backlash. (Like mine!)
Granted, Disney has numbers that I don't. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I'm just speculating.
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