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Post by Komori on Dec 29, 2011 13:01:22 GMT -5
That's one of the many, many things wrong with this bill: it affects citizens of other countries who have no representatives that can speak for them against this law. Well, there're plenty of cases where policies in a country will directly affect other countries. That's called foreign policy, is it not? Like, a country could declare war on another country and go in and kill people. I'd say that's affecting citizens who didn't have any vote in the matter. ^^;
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Post by Stal on Dec 29, 2011 18:58:43 GMT -5
Actually, you can still do something. Go here and scroll down to "Not in the us? Petition the state department". You're basically just signing a petition with your e-mail address, but it's still something. I have signed but beyond that, there is not many options for us. Which is frustrating because if it passes, this bill will still affect us. We did not even vote for all people and they're still deciding our lives for us. >_< That's one of the many, many things wrong with this bill: it affects citizens of other countries who have no representatives that can speak for them against this law. It ain't just America. You looked up ACTA? Europe has been pretty aggressive on these kinds of measures, too. I remember a news story where a man from America was brought to trial in France because he was selling Nazi paraphernalia on eBay and people in France bought some. It was basically ruled because he hadn't taken active procedures to block the sale in France (where it was illegal), he was bound by that law, too. Governments and their view of laws and cyberspace are very very scary.
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Post by Celestial on Dec 29, 2011 20:16:56 GMT -5
That's one of the many, many things wrong with this bill: it affects citizens of other countries who have no representatives that can speak for them against this law. Well, there're plenty of cases where policies in a country will directly affect other countries. That's called foreign policy, is it not? Like, a country could declare war on another country and go in and kill people. I'd say that's affecting citizens who didn't have any vote in the matter. ^^; That's true but this is not foreign policy, I believe this is supposed to be a domestic bill. Unless I'm wrong, in which case please do correct me. ^^;; I have signed but beyond that, there is not many options for us. Which is frustrating because if it passes, this bill will still affect us. We did not even vote for all people and they're still deciding our lives for us. >_< That's one of the many, many things wrong with this bill: it affects citizens of other countries who have no representatives that can speak for them against this law. It ain't just America. You looked up ACTA? Europe has been pretty aggressive on these kinds of measures, too. I remember a news story where a man from America was brought to trial in France because he was selling Nazi paraphernalia on eBay and people in France bought some. It was basically ruled because he hadn't taken active procedures to block the sale in France (where it was illegal), he was bound by that law, too. Governments and their view of laws and cyberspace are very very scary. I must confess that I have not. However, a quick glance suggests that it is not just Europe and this is an international act whereas SOPA is purely being decided on by the US government. I heard that news story as well, albeit rather vaguely. But say, if a law was to be passed that forbade the sale of Nazi items to people in countries which they are illegal in, it would not affect as many people as SOPA, if passed, would affect. All I'm trying to say is that this act would have a way of reaching a lot of people, many of whom are not being represented.
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Post by millis on Dec 29, 2011 20:39:24 GMT -5
i completly agree with you because the peope need to know whats happening in the world
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Post by Komori on Dec 29, 2011 20:55:27 GMT -5
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Post by Stal on Dec 30, 2011 16:51:43 GMT -5
I think you misunderstand. I wasn't saying that all those were as bad as SOPA or that SOPA isn't bad. Point is SOPA isn't even close to being the only one out there. Most of the governments need to be watched for their legislation like this. And they all impact everyone else around the world, more or less.
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Post by Fang of the Dead on Jan 8, 2012 19:18:25 GMT -5
Lamar Smith doesn't think the American people matter. It's mainly because we don't throw money at him I hate this man. I hate him more than I've hated any other American politician. Nixon, McCarthy, Blagojevich - none of them are as downright sleazy and scummy as Lamar Smith. He is everything that is wrong with the American political system - a sickening piece of filth who panders to the people with empty promises of "values" and "morals," but is without either of those. He only represents the interest of the greedy corporations who bribe - I'm sorry, "lobby" him with graft - er, campaign donations. I HATE him.
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Post by Celestial on Jan 8, 2012 19:25:27 GMT -5
Well, Mr. Smith, please go to your nearest dictionary and look up the definition of 'voters'. Take your time, we'll wait. EDIT: The only comfort I have is that this guy is essentially commiting political suicide, no matter what happens with this bill. Nobody will ever want to vote for him again and this delightful statement will not help him. Heck, the politicians of my own country, stupid as they are, don't get me as angry as this.
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Post by Fang of the Dead on Jan 8, 2012 19:36:58 GMT -5
He's a Republican from Texas. He's guaranteed to be voted back in.
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Post by Andrea on Jan 8, 2012 19:57:54 GMT -5
So would you guys say that there's any chance SOPA will still eventually die?
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Post by Ian Wolf-Park on Jan 8, 2012 20:03:18 GMT -5
Well, Mr. Smith, please go to your nearest dictionary and look up the definition of 'voters'. Take your time, we'll wait. EDIT: The only comfort I have is that this guy is essentially commiting political suicide, no matter what happens with this bill. Nobody will ever want to vote for him again and this delightful statement will not help him. Heck, the politicians of my own country, stupid as they are, don't get me as angry as this. Agreed. It seems to me that this politician is way out of touch with reality. Our concerns (as this will impact us in some form worldwide) about this bill are legitimate, thank you very much.
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Post by Fang of the Dead on Jan 8, 2012 21:17:12 GMT -5
So would you guys say that there's any chance SOPA will still eventually die? SOPA, yes. PIPA, not so sure.
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Post by Stal on Jan 8, 2012 21:54:23 GMT -5
He's a Republican from Texas. He's guaranteed to be voted back in. And what makes you think Texans will continue to like him after he said that? He just called everyone in the country worthless, down to the last newborn baby who is a shining light in the eyes of her mother! For the sake of my daughter Aurora who will not be born for at least 10 years, I will vote for the people who are his greatest opponents. No one is going to call MY future children worthless. I have a great-uncle and great-aunt who are Texan and probably despise this guy as much as we do. I don't think he's getting voted back in. EDIT: And if you make whoever uploaded that nice fountain video that basically saved my life and I sent to my entire family as a love expression take it off due to this bill, Mr. Smith, then that just proves you're not even a real person. You're just one of those really evil Harry Potter characters who has escaped from the pages of the books and modified everyone's memory. And don't think I won't start that rumor. Trust me, Smith, you'll regret it. And you will also regret the fact that this bill will probably shut down animal adoption websites if it passes which means you may even KILL my future kitties who I will adopt as soon as possible. I hope that if this passes the poor animals who were not adopted in time because of your sheer stupidity haunt your dreams to the point that you be sensible and go back into the books where you belong!!!!! (The above is directed entirely at Lamar Smith.) Sae, hun, you may want to calm down a bit. No need to lash out with anger here. I'm curious why you think it will shut down animal adoption websites and where that came from. But also, while I assume it's hyperbole, two things to consider. 1) Lamar Smith really wouldn't care about that kind of rumor--it wouldn't actually spread and most people would dismiss it. 2) Threatening to slander someone, though, is actually something you may want to reconsider. Slander and libel are pretty serious offenses. While I sincerely doubt anything would ever come back on you about this post, I would still caution away from making such threats about anyone (on forum or off forum).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2012 21:57:06 GMT -5
And what makes you think Texans will continue to like him after he said that? He just called everyone in the country worthless, down to the last newborn baby who is a shining light in the eyes of her mother! For the sake of my daughter Aurora who will not be born for at least 10 years, I will vote for the people who are his greatest opponents. No one is going to call MY future children worthless. I have a great-uncle and great-aunt who are Texan and probably despise this guy as much as we do. I don't think he's getting voted back in. EDIT: And if you make whoever uploaded that nice fountain video that basically saved my life and I sent to my entire family as a love expression take it off due to this bill, Mr. Smith, then that just proves you're not even a real person. You're just one of those really evil Harry Potter characters who has escaped from the pages of the books and modified everyone's memory. And don't think I won't start that rumor. Trust me, Smith, you'll regret it. And you will also regret the fact that this bill will probably shut down animal adoption websites if it passes which means you may even KILL my future kitties who I will adopt as soon as possible. I hope that if this passes the poor animals who were not adopted in time because of your sheer stupidity haunt your dreams to the point that you be sensible and go back into the books where you belong!!!!! (The above is directed entirely at Lamar Smith.) Sae, hun, you may want to calm down a bit. No need to lash out with anger here. I'm curious why you think it will shut down animal adoption websites and where that came from. But also, while I assume it's hyperbole, two things to consider. 1) Lamar Smith really wouldn't care about that kind of rumor--it wouldn't actually spread and most people would dismiss it. 2) Threatening to slander someone, though, is actually something you may want to reconsider. Slander and libel are pretty serious offenses. While I sincerely doubt anything would ever come back on you about this post, I would still caution away from making such threats about anyone (on forum or off forum). Yeah, it's hyperbole. I was mad, okay? People matter, and they matter a ton! Although...I thought the First Amendment said we had the right to dislike members of our government?
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Post by Stal on Jan 8, 2012 22:03:06 GMT -5
Sae, hun, you may want to calm down a bit. No need to lash out with anger here. I'm curious why you think it will shut down animal adoption websites and where that came from. But also, while I assume it's hyperbole, two things to consider. 1) Lamar Smith really wouldn't care about that kind of rumor--it wouldn't actually spread and most people would dismiss it. 2) Threatening to slander someone, though, is actually something you may want to reconsider. Slander and libel are pretty serious offenses. While I sincerely doubt anything would ever come back on you about this post, I would still caution away from making such threats about anyone (on forum or off forum). Yeah, it's hyperbole. I was mad, okay? People matter, and they matter a ton! Although...I thought the First Amendment said we had the right to dislike members of our government? People do matter. Still, letting anger get away from you can be destructive. Just urging you to calm down is all. And the first amendment doesn't give you the right to dislike members of government. That's just an inherent right. The first amendment says the following: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." It 1) prevents the government from establishing a state-religion or legally favoring one over the other; 2) prevents censorship of free speech; 3) prevents banning peaceful protests; 4) makes government able to be taken to court. Now on the free speech thing, there's a difference between having the right to say something and the consequences therein. Slander and libel, for instance, are designed as actively spreading false information (in speech or print) maligning one's character and with malicious intent. If it's malicious and false, it's defamation. And that can get you into trouble with people.
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