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Post by Dju on Jan 21, 2012 15:28:36 GMT -5
you're kidding right??? You are so random sometimes... O___O;;
I was gonna make a long reply to this but Gav and Komori pretty much said it all. XD
Internet is not life, Sae. I'm pretty sure you can find more "rainbow petals of the rose in your heart" away of a lifeless machine. XD
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Post by Ian Wolf-Park on Jan 21, 2012 16:10:58 GMT -5
Er, not exactly. Copyright laws aren't that simple. You can give credit, but sometimes violate fair use provisions, etc. Fair use is also an area little understood, and the groups like MPAA and RIAA all think fair use shouldn't even exist. Those things bring me happiness. The kitties and fountains made me cry tears of joy. Losing them means losing two rainbow petals of the rose in my heart. And there's nowhere else I can find AT music. Also, there are people who use Disney movies to create crossover stories and stuff. Some of it is with casting Disney characters as OCs - which is because most people don't have the time and/or money to get a teacher in animation. They can't create stories any other way. Digital art itself is a challenging thing to master, and thus digital animation on your own is no picnic. That kind of thing could take years. And within that year spent on making an animated short film, someone could miss a chance at love because they stayed in working instead of going out where, as fate would have it, they would have met their soulmate. Or they didn't look out the window and see the stray kitten in desperate need of a home. And this poor animator may be the kitten's last hope. We're not ganging up on you, Sae, but really? I think you're missing the point. Besides, a person may be working on a animated film, but they will still have the time to do other things, such as finding a soulmate. It's not like they're working 24/7 on it because they should be allowed to have breaks
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Post by Killix on Jan 21, 2012 18:28:28 GMT -5
This is kinda turning into a debate. Wanna pop this conversation over to the D&D boards?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2012 20:21:39 GMT -5
Okay, let's get this straight: just because I DON'T want to lose the fountain video that brought me out of semi-depression and a life rut and I sent to my entire family just to show love, I'm making the bill sound better?
I want to stop this discussion.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2012 20:30:45 GMT -5
Okay, let's get this straight: just because I DON'T want to lose the fountain video that brought me out of semi-depression and a life rut and I sent to my entire family just to show love, I'm making the bill sound better? I want to stop this discussion. Barely anyone was even talking about the fountain video. That's hardly the point of the discussion. Some people were blunt, but no one outright attacked you for not wanting to lose the video that got you out of a semi-depression. People were bothered by what you said about the animator and the kitten, I think, plus that you were kind of blowing the bill out of proportion. It's fine if you want to "stop" the conversation, but if you don't like these debates, you might want to take that into consideration prior to entering them.
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Post by Nimras on Jan 21, 2012 20:53:27 GMT -5
Okay, let's get this straight: just because I DON'T want to lose the fountain video that brought me out of semi-depression and a life rut and I sent to my entire family just to show love, I'm making the bill sound better? I want to stop this discussion. Than you are free to stop reading and replying to this thread. This thread has an active discussion going on that doesn't involve you and there is no need for this thread to be ended.
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Post by Nova on Jan 21, 2012 20:56:20 GMT -5
Took Killix's idea to move this to the debates board, hope no one minds ^^;
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2012 20:57:30 GMT -5
Okay, let's get this straight: just because I DON'T want to lose the fountain video that brought me out of semi-depression and a life rut and I sent to my entire family just to show love, I'm making the bill sound better? I want to stop this discussion. Than you are free to stop reading and replying to this thread. This thread has an active discussion going on that doesn't involve you and there is no need for this thread to be ended. ...I never said end the thread.
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Post by Gelquie on Jan 21, 2012 21:12:22 GMT -5
Okay, let's get this straight: just because I DON'T want to lose the fountain video that brought me out of semi-depression and a life rut and I sent to my entire family just to show love, I'm making the bill sound better? I want to stop this discussion. The part that people were objecting to wasn't the fountain video. It was your comment on animation, the work it takes, and using someone else's hard work for another's own use. I'm not going to comment on that, as people have already said my thoughts on that. But they had nothing to do with taking down the kind of videos you pointed out. (Which seemed stand-alone from copyright claims anyway, but correct me if I'm wrong.) Though this discussion may be a bit off-topic from this thread, I will agree to that. As for the bill itself, I have nothing to say. Admittedly, I still don't understand everything about it, so I'm refraining from commenting.
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Post by Kai on Jan 21, 2012 21:36:56 GMT -5
I've animated before, it's amazingly much harder than I thought X.x
Also, I keep hearing about the fallout of MegaUpload. Anyone hear anything else about this? I still can't believe the timing .___. Even if the bill was shelved, it still bothers me that this happened just at the right time and I'm wondering what else has happened since then
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Post by Dju on Jan 21, 2012 21:51:13 GMT -5
I've animated before, it's amazingly much harder than I thought X.x Also, I keep hearing about the fallout of MegaUpload. Anyone hear anything else about this? I still can't believe the timing .___. Even if the bill was shelved, it still bothers me that this happened just at the right time and I'm wondering what else has happened since then The news said it was pretty dramatic! The owner of megaupload was arrested in his mansion in Hong Kong! He was hiding in some kind of vault with a gun! Creeeepy! O_e
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Post by Kai on Jan 21, 2012 21:59:49 GMT -5
o.o
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Post by Dju on Jan 21, 2012 22:13:07 GMT -5
Okay, let's get this straight: just because I DON'T want to lose the fountain video that brought me out of semi-depression and a life rut and I sent to my entire family just to show love, I'm making the bill sound better? I want to stop this discussion. Depression is serious stuff, takes years and years to take care of it. Not just some youtube video. Ask the people who are visiting doctors to get better about it, they'll tell you hoe hard it really is. O_e Okay, let's cut this short. Sae...don't worry about your videos, I'm pretty sure you're not losing them even IF SOPA/PIPA are approved. And I highly recommend you to take internet a bit easier, making it your life philosophy can be very disappointing. Sometimes you worry too much, just relax... *puts sunglasses on* On a side note, may I mention that "SOPA" means soup in my language and "PIPA" means kite? Seriously, it's so weird talking about it in portuguese with my friends. XD
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Post by Komori on Jan 22, 2012 1:10:16 GMT -5
Either way, we're mostly in agreement on what Congress should or shouldn't do. My only real point with you is that your statements treat piracy almost as a non-issue. But it actually is pretty major and has significant impacts. And there is a need to address it because the process is simple and doesn't take much effort or time... Whereas identity theft has a lot more against it, more protections in place, and isn't something you could just get up from your bed and do while still only half awake. Okay, your whole post seems to be agreeing with what I believe in as well: that content providers have yet to cope with the new valuation people are putting on entertainment. They're getting $1 movies from Redbox, $1 games from app stores, and $1 songs from iTunes/Amazon. They're getting rid of $100/mo cable bills in favor of $8/mo Hulu accounts. The content providers are fighting against that, tooth and nail, to hang onto the $20 DVDs and $40 games and $15 albums. The fact that a lot of this content isn't readily available on places like Hulu/Netflix is why people so easily turn to piracy. I agree with that. I don't want to diminish the impact that piracy is having. However, the successes of Netflix and iTunes and Louis CK are proving that people still have a healthy enthusiasm for obtaining these things legally. It's just that Hollywood is trying to desperately hang onto an outdated business model. And isn't that the responsibility of a company to adapt to a changing market, rather than trying to get the government to meddle with it? Especially when it's painfully obvious they have no clue how any of it works. It's not like we don't already have copyright protection laws in place. And when these laws are being written that are obviously stifling the very creativity that it supposedly protects, that's the line. I would rather have a chunk of my creative work stolen then be unable to put it out there at all.
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Post by Crystal on Jan 22, 2012 22:30:27 GMT -5
Either way, we're mostly in agreement on what Congress should or shouldn't do. My only real point with you is that your statements treat piracy almost as a non-issue. But it actually is pretty major and has significant impacts. And there is a need to address it because the process is simple and doesn't take much effort or time... Whereas identity theft has a lot more against it, more protections in place, and isn't something you could just get up from your bed and do while still only half awake. Okay, your whole post seems to be agreeing with what I believe in as well: that content providers have yet to cope with the new valuation people are putting on entertainment. They're getting $1 movies from Redbox, $1 games from app stores, and $1 songs from iTunes/Amazon. They're getting rid of $100/mo cable bills in favor of $8/mo Hulu accounts. The content providers are fighting against that, tooth and nail, to hang onto the $20 DVDs and $40 games and $15 albums. The fact that a lot of this content isn't readily available on places like Hulu/Netflix is why people so easily turn to piracy. I agree with that. I don't want to diminish the impact that piracy is having. However, the successes of Netflix and iTunes and Louis CK are proving that people still have a healthy enthusiasm for obtaining these things legally. It's just that Hollywood is trying to desperately hang onto an outdated business model. And isn't that the responsibility of a company to adapt to a changing market, rather than trying to get the government to meddle with it? Especially when it's painfully obvious they have no clue how any of it works. It's not like we don't already have copyright protection laws in place. And when these laws are being written that are obviously stifling the very creativity that it supposedly protects, that's the line. I would rather have a chunk of my creative work stolen then be unable to put it out there at all. Pretty much what Komori said. My view on this is pretty simple: people are pirates by nature, but it's not like a substantial amount of them wouldn't get their goods legally if they could. I was a giant pirate for most of my life, and now here I am, buying honest-to-goodness Microsoft goods, buying ebooks from Amazon... it's like I've gone legit. It's a question of a) how much people are prepared to pay for your goods, and b) how easily it's accessible. I would also rather have a chunk of my work stolen... although, being a programmer, that's not an uncommon view. We do like making software for free. As for Megaupload... well, I won't claim that I haven't streamed at least a week's worth of anime off of that site at one point or another, so I'm rather sad that it's gone; but it was also undoubtedly corrupt. I'll live.
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