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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2011 21:25:27 GMT -5
With winter coming up--and flu season alongside it--do you guys think the movement will come to a halt? In the confines of Zuccotti Park, sickness would spread pretty quicky, so for them to extend it throughout the winter would be really risky.
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Post by Gelquie on Nov 11, 2011 22:00:11 GMT -5
I'm sure there will still be quite a few dedicated ones left, but I'm also sure that a lot will drop off. When my state had its first snow of the season and stuck, a lot of the protesters seemed to disappear and go to social networking, or something. I've heard there's still some left in one part of the city, but there aren't many of them, I don't think. And the park in question isn't allowing them to build fires where they're holding their thing, not even barrel fires, despite how viciously cold it can get in my state.
Not as sure as the main site of the movement, but I think at least some people will drop off. Maybe not just for the sickness, but mostly for the cold.
I also seem to have never posted here. I just don't have an opinion.
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Post by Komori on Nov 16, 2011 22:44:27 GMT -5
So, I hear New York closed down the main Occupy Wallstreet movement. I guess this means back to protesting on Facebook and Twitter from their smartphones? :3
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Post by Yoyti on Nov 17, 2011 17:09:08 GMT -5
Is anyone else getting a Les Miserables vibe from this? I haven't herd any official reports on it yet, but the protesters have supposedly taken to the subways (and Subway since they have to eat something (*gets booed off stage*)) It's not a good vibe. Unless they started bursting out into song, which would be pretty epic.
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Post by Fj0rd on Nov 18, 2011 9:45:49 GMT -5
Some friends and I are organizing a Read-In on campus this weekend to protest the NYPD's destruction of the Occupy Wall Street library. (The better part of 5,000 books got thrown away, torn up, destroyed. Just--in what way did that seem like a good idea? Remotely?) The diverse nature of the OWS's message/desires/goals kind of makes it seem more legitimate to me. Politics and economics are complicated stuff, and anyone who says there's a simple solution isn't thinking about it enough. But if no one's out there saying "you need to fix things now, keep thinking about this, keep talking about it"... it's easy for politicians to think that the status quo is okay, and pay attention to the corporations that can pay for lobbyists to come push bills. (See also: the internet censorship bill, which is pretty obviously helping the big movie corporations as far as I can tell.)
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Post by Stal on Nov 18, 2011 10:22:57 GMT -5
Some friends and I are organizing a Read-In on campus this weekend to protest the NYPD's destruction of the Occupy Wall Street library. (The better part of 5,000 books got thrown away, torn up, destroyed. Just--in what way did that seem like a good idea? Remotely?) As another NTWFer said to me yesterday: "The fact they'd been left to rot in a NYC park in the winter?" not all books are sacred. It wasn't like a Koran burning or anything. It was clearing out the trash. Oy, I am so tired of hearing about the injustices these people have suffered. They aren't being peaceful. They provoke attacks, they disrupt the lives of those they're supposedly standing up for. The more I hear about their actions and beliefs, the more I despise everything about the movement. I especially love the comparisons of police to Nazis. Pretty sure the Nazis would be letting these people camp indefinitely, even putting up buildings and fences to protect them.
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Post by Crystal on Nov 18, 2011 10:34:58 GMT -5
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Post by Komori on Nov 18, 2011 11:10:23 GMT -5
What were they doing moving furniture into the park? :/ It's not like it's really okay to just set up a permanent living space in a public park. If the homeless aren't allowed to do it, neither is anyone else.
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Post by Dju on Nov 18, 2011 12:19:28 GMT -5
What were they doing moving furniture into the park? :/ It's not like it's really okay to just set up a permanent living space in a public park. If the homeless aren't allowed to do it, neither is anyone else. Wow! They actually did that?? Their protesting methods are really...uhm, I don't know, they look like a bunch of people that really don't have anything else to do right now and decided to protest without any base or specific cause to me. Like that riot that happened in London months ago, OW is obviously not as violent but their protesting methods aren't any less ridiculous and pointless. First they don't have a leader, no clear point, contradictory positions, it caused violence and chaos, seriously...I despise this. Can't they be a tiny bit more organized and peaceful? A bit more DIPLOMATIC? A bunch of innocent people got arrested while they were just passing by, this protest is awful.
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Post by Fj0rd on Nov 18, 2011 13:23:32 GMT -5
Some friends and I are organizing a Read-In on campus this weekend to protest the NYPD's destruction of the Occupy Wall Street library. (The better part of 5,000 books got thrown away, torn up, destroyed. Just--in what way did that seem like a good idea? Remotely?) As another NTWFer said to me yesterday: "The fact they'd been left to rot in a NYC park in the winter?" not all books are sacred. It wasn't like a Koran burning or anything. It was clearing out the trash. Oy, I am so tired of hearing about the injustices these people have suffered. They aren't being peaceful. They provoke attacks, they disrupt the lives of those they're supposedly standing up for. The more I hear about their actions and beliefs, the more I despise everything about the movement. I especially love the comparisons of police to Nazis. Pretty sure the Nazis would be letting these people camp indefinitely, even putting up buildings and fences to protect them. The books weren't rotting. They were organized, cataloged. Volunteer librarians covered them with plastic ( see photo) to keep the damp out. The American Library Association spoke against the dissolution of the library. Here's a list of what the police saved, and a list of what the library lost. Aside from anything else, the fact that the police kicked out the media (going so far as to shut down the airspace above the park and act aggressively toward journalists) while clearing Zuccotti Park is... kind of ridiculous. To say the least. (About the violence angle: a lot of the violence has been initiated by police, actually, according to the reports I've seen. Which is a shame for everyone. Here's an article by a former Seattle police chief about how he handled a previous protest, and why he now thinks it was a bad idea.)
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Post by Crystal on Nov 18, 2011 22:51:45 GMT -5
What were they doing moving furniture into the park? :/ It's not like it's really okay to just set up a permanent living space in a public park. If the homeless aren't allowed to do it, neither is anyone else. I'm given to understand that they were mostly portable tables and chairs and things, like what you'd use to set out pamphlets or books. Not a whole couch or something.. that would be silly xDDDD
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Post by Jacob on Dec 11, 2011 13:55:04 GMT -5
Is anyone else getting a Les Miserables vibe from this? I haven't herd any official reports on it yet, but the protesters have supposedly taken to the subways (and Subway since they have to eat something (*gets booed off stage*)) It's not a good vibe. Unless they started bursting out into song, which would be pretty epic. Okay, that made me laugh, if only because I saw a review of the musical some months ago. Joking aside, musicals don't really translate too well into reality, though they tend to lighten the spirit, which I'm sure the protesters are doing the best they can. Is it possible for the location to migrate with the season as well? Occupy Walt Disney! No, not really a joke, but it can work as such.
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