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Post by PFA on Jun 6, 2011 14:53:15 GMT -5
… ?__? I am admittedly confused. Do you want the whole list, or just whoever that one particular person would have been? Because the latter is more realistic. XD; ^ This. Posting the entire list every time I roll a dice would be kind of ridiculous. XD; But you can always ask who it was if you don't know—we'll usually answer.
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Post by Ikkin on Jun 23, 2011 21:49:47 GMT -5
… ?__? I am admittedly confused. Do you want the whole list, or just whoever that one particular person would have been? Because the latter is more realistic. XD; The name of the character rolled seems to make more sense, yes. (A link to the list might be interesting, but I'm not sure how much it would add)
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Post by PFA on Jun 23, 2011 21:58:38 GMT -5
… ?__? I am admittedly confused. Do you want the whole list, or just whoever that one particular person would have been? Because the latter is more realistic. XD; The name of the character rolled seems to make more sense, yes. (A link to the list might be interesting, but I'm not sure how much it would add) You mean something like *rolls her actual dice as an example* [dice=22] (Edgeworth) ...Because I think that could be a reasonable habit to get into, if just for the sake of confused newbies. also why do my dice always give me the good rolls in demonstrations[rand=2875324562191963776300295721739544173768814653169884202224202454]
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Post by Ikkin on Jun 23, 2011 22:49:04 GMT -5
The name of the character rolled seems to make more sense, yes. (A link to the list might be interesting, but I'm not sure how much it would add) You mean something like *rolls her actual dice as an example* (Edgeworth) ...Because I think that could be a reasonable habit to get into, if just for the sake of confused newbies. also why do my dice always give me the good rolls in demonstrationsYeah, exactly like that. ^_^ (Your dice clearly have a grudge against you. >_> You should use pre-rolled ones. *brick'd*)
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Post by PFA on Jun 23, 2011 23:03:40 GMT -5
You mean something like *rolls her actual dice as an example* (Edgeworth) ...Because I think that could be a reasonable habit to get into, if just for the sake of confused newbies. also why do my dice always give me the good rolls in demonstrationsYeah, exactly like that. ^_^ (Your dice clearly have a grudge against you. >_> You should use pre-rolled ones. *brick'd*) Alrighties. :3 I'll see if I can remember that in the future for ya. (and they really do, you don't even know)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2011 23:10:27 GMT -5
You mean something like *rolls her actual dice as an example* (Edgeworth) ...Because I think that could be a reasonable habit to get into, if just for the sake of confused newbies. also why do my dice always give me the good rolls in demonstrationsYeah, exactly like that. ^_^ (Your dice clearly have a grudge against you. >_> You should use pre-rolled ones. *brick'd*) Alright, and do you want mentions only when they don't show up? Because when they do, that's kind of self explanatory… ?___?
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Post by Ikkin on Jun 26, 2011 15:12:09 GMT -5
Yeah, exactly like that. ^_^ (Your dice clearly have a grudge against you. >_> You should use pre-rolled ones. *brick'd*) Alright, and do you want mentions only when they don't show up? Because when they do, that's kind of self explanatory… ?___? Either way. I kind of like it as a formatting thing, but it is kind of self-explanatory so I couldn't really complain about it if it wasn't done. XD;
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Post by Omni on Aug 29, 2011 17:35:00 GMT -5
I'm going to apologize in advance if it seems like I'm going on about something that no one else wants to do. Or if I accidentally tread on feelings. Still, I encourage (calm!) feedback and comments. Alright. Basically, I've been thinking about how we Tacoers don't really have a set of rules down, or anything close to. We've discussed things related to fighting, then said that we'd discuss more, related to other topics, at a later time. So far, we haven't gotten back to discussing 'the other stuff.' I'm starting to feel that we may have been putting it off for too long. Things have started popping up, and I'm thinking we should at least get some basic guidelines down before there's more confusion. Nothing too strict (at least not at first), just a few general things. That, or we work on one-or-two rules at a time and work our way up. Also, if you don't mind me saying, I think we should focus more on things we generally agree on first. Simpler things. Once we get those done, we can see if we can figure out harder ones, and see if we can come to a consensus/compromise. I'm going to lay out pretty much everything up front so that we don't have to go put stuff together later, but we don't need to discuss it all at once. Agenda checklist (May be altered/expanded as we go along - current topic is in italibold) - General chat:
- General behavior and expectations: _
- Ground rules (topics, etc.): _
- Misc/etc.: _
- Roleplay:
- Universal: _
- Casual RP: _
- Serious RP: _
- Misc/Courtesies/etc.: _
- Conflict and Fighting: Drawing the lines between horsing around and actual physical violence, maybe setting rules on starting and stopping fights, that sort of thing. Here's an interesting question on that line: Should a Writer be held accountable for his/her character's actions?
- Godmoding: Basically just hacking out some hard and fast rules about what constitues godmoding; no forcing things on other people's characters, give people a chance to react to your post, etc.
Anyway, I'm going to start by referencing other rules and guidelines I've seen. Some of this is general 'why re-invent the wheel?' stuff, and others is along the lines of 'it works for them, and while we do things differently, a lot of it should still work, even if with some adaptation.' You may notice that the first thing I'm referencing is the 'Bloids rules/guidelines. This doesn't have anything to do with the 'Bloids, other than the fact that they've got something laid out for general chat that works pretty well for general chat. (I've removed parts that aren't so applicable to the Taco.) History is not to be taken into account. The 'bloids--they are, in essence, a place that people can go where everyone knows their names, get away from their worries, etc. Unfortunately, there's been some things going on recently that made some of us think a reminder about what to expect and also what to consider when you're on there might be in order. 1. Greetings - A polite thing to do tends to be acknowledging that people have arrived. But let's say you post a hello to everyone and no one responds to you specifically and says hi. That is not a slight. It could be overlooking your post, or just not bothering to say hi, expecting it not to matter. Don't expect a greeting in return, and don't get upset if one doesn't show up. No one's doing it to offend you... just get right into the topic being discussed or bring something else up if you want to touch on something else. Either way, getting upset, or posting things to make people say hi to you? Not really what needs to be going on... so please kindly refrain from those. You're always welcome on the 'bloids, whether it's vocalized or not, so just join right in. 2. Conversation Topics - The 'bloids have turned into a thread to go for discussing anything and everything. The 'bloids are typically a feel-good atmosphere. But it can also be a place to go to looking to get cheered up about something going on, or maybe let out a quick rant to available ears. That's completely fine. That said, some things need to be considered... some topics shouldn't be raised on the 'bloids. Things way too heavy and serious may need to go on to Banter Board. And even things that you may post about on there, please just be very judicious in how often you bring them up. Try to promote the feel good atmosphere as much as possible, and if you do raise a problem that you need cheering over, don't bring it up again and again, day in and day out. 3. Digging for attention - The truth is some days you may not be the focus of what's going on in the 'bloids. Going out of your way to get attention and/or drudging up something for sympathy isn't looked well on in those times. Just run with it if people aren't responding to a lot of your posts or giving you a bunch of attention. Again, it's not being done to be mean to you or to offend. 4. Taking your problems out on others - As said before, the bloids are a feel-good place. If you're having a bad day, or if you don't like something that's been said, please do not lash out or create a problem on the 'bloids. As always, handle things privately, or just keep those issues to yourself. No one wants to bear the brunt of your bad attitude, and as a service to others, you shouldn't do that to them. ((5./6. Take __________ with a grain of salt)) 7. Don't get upset by conversation topics you aren't knowledgeable on - Sometimes a lot of people want to discuss a topic that you may not have a lot of information on. Don't get offended by that--it's not a way of trying to lock you out, it's simply people talking about things that they like. Feel free to raise conversation prompts for other things, but don't get hurt if they don't get on. It's not a personal slight to you. And you've probably been guilty of that, yourself. Those are pretty much all the points I wanted to reiterate (though one or two may've been overlooked and be posted later). I apologize for the textwall, but the points needed some explanation behind them. Some Ground RulesAll discussions in the Bloids should comply with all forum and Proboards rules, so that means nothing above PG-13. Minor innuendo and comic violence is allowed, but we have had to scale this back in the past so please watch your language and behavior. If someone asks you to tone something down, be respectful of that request and do so, whether it is a moderator or a member. Remember, the Bloids should be a relaxed and enjoyable place for everyone, so be mindful of that. Posting of images and videos is allowed, but please remember that larger images and videos may stretch other Bloiders' screens (or slow down loading times, in the case of videos). If an image is too big, use a spoiler tag (Just click this button: and place your image URL inside the tag that appears) so it won't stretch the page. I'm linking to the old fogey's post 'cause he doesn't know when to put a lid on it. <3[glow=red,2,300]Yeah, it's true. Something should have been done about the Tabloids an age and a half ago, but anyway. The Tabloid Town Meeting came out with this set of guidelines: [/glow] What we need is concious effort from every member who posts on the tabloids, to be a lot more careful and thoughtful about what they write/post. The mods can't be everywhere at once...and they shouldn't have to babysit, or keep a lockdown type watch on us incase we misbehave. ;D We, the members, need to make the change within ourselves, and just plain stop posting things that go over the line. The bottom line is: Don't post anything you wouldn't show to your mother/father/grandmother/grandfather/10 year old sister. ;D [glow=red,2,300]OK, since no one else seems to be suggesting standards: Making out/Snogging = OK as long as it's not constant. Ultimate Verb = No. Not only is it too risque, it makes eyes water. Closeting = No. Roofing = No. General dirty jokes = OK so long as they're not flamboyantly out there. Organ jokes = No. Graphic, bloody violence = No. Comic Violence (i.e. despleening) = OK Undergarment jokes = OK Any objections/additions/inquiries? EDIT: QMs count as jokes. organ QMing = no. Constant QMing = no. By organ jokes, I do mean those organs.[/glow] I also think it may be a good idea to take a refresher course on the Forum rules and/or consider it in our ideas. Alright, I feel that's a good start for general chat, but we all know that the Taco is half roleplay. That said the other half of the rules would essentially be roleplay rules. An NTWF member made a nice, detailed guide here, but if you think it's too long, similar, but more concise guides can be found in the Neopian Times; the ones I picked are here and here. Admittedly, the guides referenced above are for more-serious RP, while the Taco's serious levels vary. Generally speaking, I figure a lot of this stuff could work in threads outside the main square, and for serious moments in the main square. We may have to do something adapted or non-serious moments. However, the details can wait. Alright, I feel we should start with simple general chat rules first. I think we can agree that the 'numbered' rules listed in detail are pretty fair. (It seems like we're already following much of it, actually.) 5 and 6 were pretty much removed because they weren't so applicable to the Taco. I do still feel that some things should be taken with a grain of salt, but what exactly those things are will need to be discussed. Questions? Opinions? Comments? Agreements?
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Post by Draco on Sept 4, 2011 20:17:24 GMT -5
Personally, some kind of written rules is what I've been wanting for ages. Not a bunch of threads that explain stuff like some kind of desktop RP game (Dungeons & Dragons for example) where you need to read a 60+ page rule book just to play a game. It makes it really hard to get in and interact. Learn several dozen characters, learn a bunch of dice roll that really confuse me everywhere I go since they're so random, and a number of other things that are just.... Hard to understand or forced to learn as you go?
It's just a giant hassle...
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Post by Omni on Sept 4, 2011 23:13:35 GMT -5
Admittedly, that's along the lines of one of the reasons why I'd like to get these set; so that newbies can know what to do, what's allowed and what's not. I mean, learning how to read the Taco is one thing. Learning what's allowed (or at least considered good form) is another. It'd be nice to have an easy reference guide.
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Post by Tracer Bullet, P.I. on Sept 5, 2011 13:30:19 GMT -5
Personally, some kind of written rules is what I've been wanting for ages. Not a bunch of threads that explain stuff like some kind of desktop RP game (Dungeons & Dragons for example) where you need to read a 60+ page rule book just to play a game. It makes it really hard to get in and interact. Learn several dozen characters, learn a bunch of dice roll that really confuse me everywhere I go since they're so random, and a number of other things that are just.... Hard to understand or forced to learn as you go? It's just a giant hassle... ((WHAT'S WRONG WITH 600 PAGE RULEBOOKS >8UUUU)) So as the resident new guy, I can understand some of what you might be going through; my intergration experience is still pretty fresh in my mind. Here's my perspective: First of all, as far as Taco-specific conventions go, I think Hunter's "How to read" guide is an excellent resource--it's short, snappy, clear, and well written. Stuff like ((OOC Tags)), colored text, strikethroughs, and all the other quirks we use around here are laid out clean and simply; reading that was basically all I needed to jump in. Secondly, no one's expected to memorize tons of characters and dice rolls. (At least as far as I know ._.) If you don't know who someone is, ask 'em their name, or check the Dramatis Personae. Heck, half of my character's development came from people going "um, who are you again?" ...Actually, that goes for pretty much everything. If you don't know what's going on, just ask! Asking questions shows people that you're trying to make the effort to reach out and join us, and everyone will be only too happy to help you out. ((On that note, this probably goes without saying but little courtesies like saying 'Hello' to people, taking an interest in what the community is doing, being sympathetic towards peoples problems, and not griefing for the sake of attention...those are important pieces to fitting in around here.)) Oh, and if you're going to bring characters in, make sure at least some of them are fun to talk to. No one likes interacting with a jerk; and while one or two 'bad boy' characters can be interesting, an entire dice roll full of them is just tiresome. Hope some of this helps; maybe sometime in the future we should set up a "Getting Started" guide, but really it's not so initmidating as it sounds. Just follow the Golden Rule: "Don't be a [censored]", and you'll do fine!
As far as rules in general...I dunno, it seems like Omni's post pretty much covered everything neccesary. I don't really like the idea of lots of strict rules governing everything, especially because things work pretty well as they are. In general, conflicts or disputes seem to resolve themselves pretty handily, and everyone seems to be comfortable playing things by ear. If we are going to talk specifics, though, here are some places we could start... - Conflict and Fighting: Drawing the lines between horsing around and actual physical violence, maybe setting rules on starting and stopping fights, that sort of thing. Here's an interesting question on that line: Should a Writer be held accountable for his/her character's actions?
- Godmoding: Basically just hacking out some hard and fast rules about what constitues godmoding; no forcing things on other people's characters, give people a chance to react to your post, etc.
- Physical Dimensions of the Taco: Something I've been wondering idly about. Right now the Taco seems pretty amorphous; its got walls, tables, and chairs some of the time, it's inside or outside as convenient, etc. All that's fine with me, but would it help people if we defined exactly what the Taco looks like, and have permanent structures to interact with?
unless this has already happened, in which case IGNORE ME
ANYWAY, there's my fifty cents. Take it as you will.
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Post by Omni on Sept 21, 2011 15:33:57 GMT -5
As far as rules in general...I dunno, it seems like Omni's post pretty much covered everything neccesary. I don't really like the idea of lots of strict rules governing everything, especially because things work pretty well as they are. In general, conflicts or disputes seem to resolve themselves pretty handily, and everyone seems to be comfortable playing things by ear. If we are going to talk specifics, though, here are some places we could start... Well... The thing is that I don't consider what I posted to be 'final' by any means. Some of it gets kind of close, but either it isn't organized, or I'd think that at least like a fair amount of input before it could be considered 'final.' (I don't consider myself a self-appointed mod who decides all the rules; just someone who feels that certain things need to be addressed and organized, and that's trying to get the community together on it.) I really don't want things set until we're pretty sure that (at least) most people can agree on them, so I'd appreciate it if we could get as many opinions voiced as possible. I agree that rules shouldn't be too strict, but I feel that we need something. A lot of things work out pretty well, but... there are still a number of reoccurring problems. I'd like it if we could ease things a bit, both in terms of the rules/guidelines and in terms of the problems. - Conflict and Fighting: Drawing the lines between horsing around and actual physical violence, maybe setting rules on starting and stopping fights, that sort of thing. Here's an interesting question on that line: Should a Writer be held accountable for his/her character's actions?
- Godmoding: Basically just hacking out some hard and fast rules about what constitues godmoding; no forcing things on other people's characters, give people a chance to react to your post, etc.
- Physical Dimensions of the Taco: Something I've been wondering idly about. Right now the Taco seems pretty amorphous; its got walls, tables, and chairs some of the time, it's inside or outside as convenient, etc. All that's fine with me, but would it help people if we defined exactly what the Taco looks like, and have permanent structures to interact with?
unless this has already happened, in which case IGNORE ME
Erm... The first two are issues that I was hoping we could get to later into discussion. The third issue does probably need to be addressed, though it seems like a separate thing to me. I do appreciate constructive input, I just don't want us to get ahead of ourselves or be all-over-the-place for this issue taking things one step at a time... and apparently I didn't convey that very well. I've added a Twilight Sparkle-style checklist to my big post. Things may end up being addressed out of order, but I would still like it if we could take note of on ordered agenda and try to stick to one issue, and wait until it feels settled before moving onto the next. Any constructive input is appreciated. In fact, I'd like it if just about everybody could come forward and give their input.
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Post by Killix on Sept 26, 2011 6:51:07 GMT -5
Any constructive input is appreciated. In fact, I'd like it if just about everybody could come forward and give their input. *pops in* Alright, then. Here's my 2 cents... (Keep the change. :D) [/li][li] Physical Dimensions of the Taco: Something I've been wondering idly about. Right now the Taco seems pretty amorphous; its got walls, tables, and chairs some of the time, it's inside or outside as convenient, etc. All that's fine with me, but would it help people if we defined exactly what the Taco looks like, and have permanent structures to interact with? [/quote] This is an interesting topic, actually. I'm remembering back to the casual-Roleplaying of the Bloids and NTWF fanfiction storytelling that were popular back a few years ago. What exactly the Bloids or NTWF itself looked like and consisted of differed between writers. In one story, the NTWF might be its own city with the Bloids being a district or street. In another story, "NTWF" could be a planet with all of the different parts of the forum being countries or landmases. It was even a slight problem that came up during the planning of the murder mystery that the Moderators collaberated on. XD We were all writing the story with different instances of the NTWF in our minds and at some points it became confusing until we realised what was happening, and decided on a setting for that particular story. "You can't look out a window, Meowth, we're underground" "We are? O_o" -- In general everyone had their own creative ideas, and it was an unwritten agreement between all of the roleplayers and storytellers that you could interpert it any way you wanted. XD Is NTWF a giant building or castle that holds all of the "boards" as rooms? Is it a massive city with every "board" as a street of its own? Maybe NTWF is an underground structure? A virtual reality with unending boundries? A planet? An island? Etc. etc. I'm sure that this unwritten freedom of creativity should extend to the Taco aswell.
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Post by Draco on Sept 27, 2011 2:12:53 GMT -5
Any constructive input is appreciated. In fact, I'd like it if just about everybody could come forward and give their input. *pops in* Alright, then. Here's my 2 cents... (Keep the change. :D) [/li][li] Physical Dimensions of the Taco: Something I've been wondering idly about. Right now the Taco seems pretty amorphous; its got walls, tables, and chairs some of the time, it's inside or outside as convenient, etc. All that's fine with me, but would it help people if we defined exactly what the Taco looks like, and have permanent structures to interact with? [/quote] This is an interesting topic, actually. I'm remembering back to the casual-Roleplaying of the Bloids and NTWF fanfiction storytelling that were popular back a few years ago. What exactly the Bloids or NTWF itself looked like and consisted of differed between writers. In one story, the NTWF might be its own city, with the Bloids being a district or street. In another story, "NTWF" could be a planet, with all of the different parts of the forum being countries or landmases. It was even a slight problem that came up during the planning of the murder mystery that the Moderators collaberated on. XD We were all writing the story with different instances of the NTWF in our minds, and at some points it became confusing until we realised what was happening, and decided on a setting for that particular story. "You can't look out a window, Meowth, we're underground" "We are? O_o" -- In general everyone had their own creative ideas, and it was an unwritten agreement between all of the roleplayers and storytellers that you could interpert it any way you wanted. XD Is NTWF a giant building or castle that holds all of the "boards" as rooms? Is it a massive city with every "board" as a street of its own? Maybe NTWF is an underground structure? A virtual reality with unending boundries? A planet? An island? Etc. etc. I'm sure that this unwritten freedom of creativity should extend to the Taco aswell.[/quote] I always went with the different streets/towns idea. I mean, really, Tabloid Town :p That screams for it to be it's own town and the boards being either inside Tabloid Town or having their own town. Taco, I think of two things. Either part of the town, or it's own. Originally I would say it was a cart in town. But now I think it's it's own town, but it's still in the NTWF. But these are just how I always thought of it.
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Post by Lizzie on Mar 10, 2012 14:16:06 GMT -5
Hiya! I was chatting with a few of the mods earlier, and among other things, the Icy Taco rule thread issue was brought up, how we still didn't have one. Looking through this thread, this most recent page left off on that issue. And, well, I was hoping we could start discussing it again? - Conflict and Fighting: Drawing the lines between horsing around and actual physical violence, maybe setting rules on starting and stopping fights, that sort of thing. Here's an interesting question on that line: Should a Writer be held accountable for his/her character's actions?
- Godmoding: Basically just hacking out some hard and fast rules about what constitues godmoding; no forcing things on other people's characters, give people a chance to react to your post, etc.
- Physical Dimensions of the Taco: Something I've been wondering idly about. Right now the Taco seems pretty amorphous; its got walls, tables, and chairs some of the time, it's inside or outside as convenient, etc. All that's fine with me, but would it help people if we defined exactly what the Taco looks like, and have permanent structures to interact with?
unless this has already happened, in which case IGNORE ME
This, along with Omni's post, all should probably be addressed more, so that we can actually set up a rule guide now that we have a really large, full board? We do have Hunter's awesome how to read thing, plus the (very outdated) museum and this here City Hall, but those don't explain all the rules? And neither does the first post, you can't really link to the first post as a separate thread, and any questions people had would soon get buried under everything. There's also the thing I do frequently-- What about double/triple/quadruple posting? What about events (like the carnival that we were having?) Speaking of events, what about off-site Taco stories/events? Or spoilers for games? Do those need rules too?
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