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Post by Ikkin on Aug 7, 2007 20:17:42 GMT -5
...surprising there isn't one of these already. It's an organization and not a club for obvious reasons. x3 So, yeah. ^^ Here's the place for anyone who wants to fangirl the Organization, or talk about anything Kingdom Hearts related. ^_^ ...okay, it's really just a place for me to put my random Kingdom Hearts theories, but never you mind. 
First... Nobodies, apparently, age. Which is less of a theory and more of an observation, in and of itself, because there's a clear visual difference between Namine in Re:CoM and KHII.
But... it really does have some interesting implications. Neither Axel or Demyx really look that old, and since their numbers are pretty low, they'd have to have been Nobodies for quite a while. The thought of Axel being Roxas' age when he joined the Organization would be a nice bit of parallelism, methinks.
The second theory is that Saix was one of the people that Xehanort and the other apprentices were experimenting on. Because it would be kind of fitting if one of them turned into a Nobody, and Saix kind of seems like an experiment, with his berserkness and stuff.
The third thing is less of a theory, and more of a thought. Ansem the Wise says that he didn't know what his apprentices were doing... but, then, why would he need a giant basement lab, anyway? How did he miss all the people being brought in for the experiments? Why would he have hearts in jars? And what would he be forbidding Xehanort to do? My inclination is to think that he wasn't being entirely honest in the Secret Ansem Reports, but then, I'm probably biased there.
Or maybe I just think too much. xD
I'll add in a club list once we get more members. ^_^ Club list:Ikkin
Omni
PFA
Elcie
Zari
Nature
Madz
Jason
Bacon
Corico
Killix
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Post by Omni on Aug 7, 2007 20:37:53 GMT -5
I'll join!  |
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Post by PFA on Aug 7, 2007 21:04:19 GMT -5
Hey, I was wondering why there wasn't one of these.  But at any rate, I'll join! |
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Post by Elcie on Aug 8, 2007 8:54:32 GMT -5
I'll join <3 Although I'm not sure how much of these will be out of date by now.
About these "Chasers." We know that the armored people are Ven, Aqua, and Terra, but it still makes one wonder. I believe that Xehanort, before he lost his memories, was involved with these people - my thought is that he may be the red-masked person who was with the bald guy. (In the KH2:FM+ secret ending, Birth by Sleep.)
If I remember correctly, there was a statement about Xigbar from Nomura - something about him knowing more than most about the Keyblade and such. So... I think Braig might also have been involved with the Chasers, as was Saix's Other. For one thing, all three of them have pointed ears and yellow eyes. No one else has, in Radiant Garden (presumably Xehanort's and Braig's homeworld). Interesting to note, although as some people have said, it's possible that yellow eyes and pointed ears are very common in other worlds and it's a mere coincidence.
Also, I think Terra strongly resembles Saix... then, at the end of the video, he looks up at the moon and his eyes turn yellow. Very interesting.
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Post by zarikrahia on Aug 8, 2007 21:23:19 GMT -5
Will join. noooooow. XD
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Post by Ikkin on Aug 8, 2007 21:32:18 GMT -5
*adds everyone* ^_^ Although I'm not sure how much of these will be out of date by now.
About these "Chasers." We know that the armored people are Ven, Aqua, and Terra, but it still makes one wonder. I believe that Xehanort, before he lost his memories, was involved with these people - my thought is that he may be the red-masked person who was with the bald guy. (In the KH2:FM+ secret ending, Birth by Sleep.)
If I remember correctly, there was a statement about Xigbar from Nomura - something about him knowing more than most about the Keyblade and such. So... I think Braig might also have been involved with the Chasers, as was Saix's Other. For one thing, all three of them have pointed ears and yellow eyes. No one else has, in Radiant Garden (presumably Xehanort's and Braig's homeworld). Interesting to note, although as some people have said, it's possible that yellow eyes and pointed ears are very common in other worlds and it's a mere coincidence.
Also, I think Terra strongly resembles Saix... then, at the end of the video, he looks up at the moon and his eyes turn yellow. Very interesting.
Xehanort definitely has something to do with Ven, Aqua and Terra, though it's unclear what at this point. Terra mentions Xehanort in the extra boss fight with him (though he doesn't say much, except make it clear that he doesn't like him), and there was a secret code when Terra's name was released that said something like, "Master Xehanort's avenger, his name is Terra. Not yet awakened, he is connected to those two." Which is strange, considering the dislike, but, yeah. ...found the dialogue from the Terra fight. “Aqua… Ven… Keyblade… who are you? I can feel it… we have met before… it was when… No… it isn’t you… It isn’t you that I have chosen… Why is it not him… Xe… ha… nort… is that you? Xeha… nort… Xehanort!” Which seems to imply that the fact that Riku was supposed to get the keyblade is going to be important. I think I read somewhere than Nomura said that we hadn't seen anyone in the bonus video before, though, and we've seen Xehanort...  As for the yellow eyes, I thought it had to do with giving in to darkness, or something. DiZ had them, too (I thought he was KHI Ansem at first, because their eyes were similar), and it would make sense that Terra's eyes could glow yellow if he'd given in to the darkness or something. Xaldin seems to have the pointy-eared thing going on, too, though. Xemnas doesn't (...I don't have a picture of Xehanort to check). *shrugs* There could be something there, though.
If we're talking about the secret movie people, though, I've got a theory about that. ^_^ Well... okay, it's more a collection of information that sounds like it could be related and some speculation, but, whatever. xD
The concept of "awakening" seems like it's going to be very important - the movie is "Birth by Sleep," the secret code that revealed Terra's name said he was "not yet awakened," and in one of the extra movies, it was revealed that Xemnas had Aqua (or just her armor) in a room he called the Room of Sleep and he was looking for another "friend" (presumably Ven) in the Room of Awakening.
My theory is that the Room of Awakening is really Sora's heart. 'Cause Ven looks a whole ton like Roxas, and there was some talk in the extra clips about Roxas really having a heart after all... and whoever's it was, it wasn't Sora's, 'cause otherwise the poor kid would have nothing left. xD As far as I can understand it, Sora's been pretty much walking around as nothing more than a heart since he was revived by Kairi, since the body and soul are the things that get turned into the Nobody, and Roxas was still around (and Namine was created out of Sora as well).
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Post by Elcie on Aug 8, 2007 22:04:39 GMT -5
*adds everyone* ^_^ Although I'm not sure how much of these will be out of date by now.
About these "Chasers." We know that the armored people are Ven, Aqua, and Terra, but it still makes one wonder. I believe that Xehanort, before he lost his memories, was involved with these people - my thought is that he may be the red-masked person who was with the bald guy. (In the KH2:FM+ secret ending, Birth by Sleep.)
If I remember correctly, there was a statement about Xigbar from Nomura - something about him knowing more than most about the Keyblade and such. So... I think Braig might also have been involved with the Chasers, as was Saix's Other. For one thing, all three of them have pointed ears and yellow eyes. No one else has, in Radiant Garden (presumably Xehanort's and Braig's homeworld). Interesting to note, although as some people have said, it's possible that yellow eyes and pointed ears are very common in other worlds and it's a mere coincidence.
Also, I think Terra strongly resembles Saix... then, at the end of the video, he looks up at the moon and his eyes turn yellow. Very interesting.
Xehanort definitely has something to do with Ven, Aqua and Terra, though it's unclear what at this point. Terra mentions Xehanort in the extra boss fight with him (though he doesn't say much, except make it clear that he doesn't like him), and there was a secret code when Terra's name was released that said something like, "Master Xehanort's avenger, his name is Terra. Not yet awakened, he is connected to those two." Which is strange, considering the dislike, but, yeah. ...found the dialogue from the Terra fight. “Aqua… Ven… Keyblade… who are you? I can feel it… we have met before… it was when… No… it isn’t you… It isn’t you that I have chosen… Why is it not him… Xe… ha… nort… is that you? Xeha… nort… Xehanort!” Which seems to imply that the fact that Riku was supposed to get the keyblade is going to be important. I think I read somewhere than Nomura said that we hadn't seen anyone in the bonus video before, though, and we've seen Xehanort... As for the yellow eyes, I thought it had to do with giving in to darkness, or something. DiZ had them, too (I thought he was KHI Ansem at first, because their eyes were similar), and it would make sense that Terra's eyes could glow yellow if he'd given in to the darkness or something. Xaldin seems to have the pointy-eared thing going on, too, though. Xemnas doesn't (...I don't have a picture of Xehanort to check). *shrugs* There could be something there, though.
If we're talking about the secret movie people, though, I've got a theory about that. ^_^ Well... okay, it's more a collection of information that sounds like it could be related and some speculation, but, whatever. xD
The concept of "awakening" seems like it's going to be very important - the movie is "Birth by Sleep," the secret code that revealed Terra's name said he was "not yet awakened," and in one of the extra movies, it was revealed that Xemnas had Aqua (or just her armor) in a room he called the Room of Sleep and he was looking for another "friend" (presumably Ven) in the Room of Awakening.
My theory is that the Room of Awakening is really Sora's heart. 'Cause Ven looks a whole ton like Roxas, and there was some talk in the extra clips about Roxas really having a heart after all... and whoever's it was, it wasn't Sora's, 'cause otherwise the poor kid would have nothing left. xD As far as I can understand it, Sora's been pretty much walking around as nothing more than a heart since he was revived by Kairi, since the body and soul are the things that get turned into the Nobody, and Roxas was still around (and Namine was created out of Sora as well).
Maybe the reason Sora was able to live like that was because he was "awakened?"Wait, there was a boss fight with Terra? I thought it was with Ven.
Interesting about "Xehanort's avenger" - more points for the Saix theory, perhaps, because Saix does have an unusual devotion for Xemnas. It would make sense if it was because their past selves were friends or at least allies... |
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Post by Zylaa on Aug 9, 2007 15:47:37 GMT -5
*joins* Even though I've only played most of the second one...
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Post by Rider on Aug 9, 2007 16:47:38 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]Yo! ^_^ I'm joining.[/glow] [glow=red,2,300]Terra = Earth, Riku = Earth. Aqua = Water, Kairi = ... Sea. Sora = Sky, but I don't believe that the wod "Ven" has anything to do with the Sky. Correct me if I'm wrong, but a couple of years of Latin whets your appitite but makes you utterly useless in all practical matters with the language.[/glow] [glow=red,2,300]Either Kairi strongly takes after her mum or the yellow eyes thing may have to do with giving into darkness... which seems odd, since yellow is a more light-like color. Plus, would they have changed Riku's eyes? I do love the bright green. T_T
Regarding the Kairi taking after her mum thing... she's Ansem's daughter, I think. In the first game, after you rescue her and bring her back to the old house in Traverse Town, she says "I remember being the princess of Hollow Bastion, my grandmother would tell me stories in the big library, yadda yadda yadda." She doesn't bear a striking resemblance to him and they didn't look at each other twice in the second game... which dissapoints me. Usually Disney's all about the parent-child relationships. Maybe they'll do more with it in the third game... which would really stink. 'cause Ansem's dead. >.>[/glow] |
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Post by Elcie on Aug 10, 2007 8:19:28 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]Yo! ^_^ I'm joining.[/glow] [glow=red,2,300]Terra = Earth, Riku = Earth. Aqua = Water, Kairi = ... Sea. Sora = Sky, but I don't believe that the wod "Ven" has anything to do with the Sky. Correct me if I'm wrong, but a couple of years of Latin whets your appitite but makes you utterly useless in all practical matters with the language.[/glow] [glow=red,2,300]Either Kairi strongly takes after her mum or the yellow eyes thing may have to do with giving into darkness... which seems odd, since yellow is a more light-like color. Plus, would they have changed Riku's eyes? I do love the bright green. T_T
Regarding the Kairi taking after her mum thing... she's Ansem's daughter, I think. In the first game, after you rescue her and bring her back to the old house in Traverse Town, she says "I remember being the princess of Hollow Bastion, my grandmother would tell me stories in the big library, yadda yadda yadda." She doesn't bear a striking resemblance to him and they didn't look at each other twice in the second game... which dissapoints me. Usually Disney's all about the parent-child relationships. Maybe they'll do more with it in the third game... which would really stink. 'cause Ansem's dead. >.>[/glow] "Ven" means "Wind," or so I've been told - but I have no idea in what language. XD I don't believe she was... but hey, I could be wrong. She was a Princess of Heart, and Ansem/Xehanort (which one sent her off, anyway?) figured out she was one, but I don't think actual royalty was a requirement there... |
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Post by Ikkin on Aug 10, 2007 13:27:43 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]Yo! ^_^ I'm joining.[/glow] [glow=red,2,300]Terra = Earth, Riku = Earth. Aqua = Water, Kairi = ... Sea. Sora = Sky, but I don't believe that the wod "Ven" has anything to do with the Sky. Correct me if I'm wrong, but a couple of years of Latin whets your appitite but makes you utterly useless in all practical matters with the language.[/glow] [glow=red,2,300]Either Kairi strongly takes after her mum or the yellow eyes thing may have to do with giving into darkness... which seems odd, since yellow is a more light-like color. Plus, would they have changed Riku's eyes? I do love the bright green. T_T
Regarding the Kairi taking after her mum thing... she's Ansem's daughter, I think. In the first game, after you rescue her and bring her back to the old house in Traverse Town, she says "I remember being the princess of Hollow Bastion, my grandmother would tell me stories in the big library, yadda yadda yadda." She doesn't bear a striking resemblance to him and they didn't look at each other twice in the second game... which dissapoints me. Usually Disney's all about the parent-child relationships. Maybe they'll do more with it in the third game... which would really stink. 'cause Ansem's dead. >.>[/glow] "Ven" means "Wind," or so I've been told - but I have no idea in what language. XD I don't believe she was... but hey, I could be wrong. She was a Princess of Heart, and Ansem/Xehanort (which one sent her off, anyway?) figured out she was one, but I don't think actual royalty was a requirement there... Ven isn't his full name, apparently; his full name is Ventus, which I read was Latin for wind. ^_^ I don't remember if they ever said, without a doubt, that she was a real princess and not just a Princess of Heart. Ansem-Riku did say yes to Sora asking if she was a princess and not "Not a real princess, but a Princess of Heart all the same" or some clarification, but that might not say much.
On the other hand... if you look at the background in the cutscene where Sora sees Kairi's memory about her grandmother telling her the story when she was little, it looks exactly like the library in Hollow Bastion, which I assume used to be the real Ansem's.
Then again, he should have known who she was, considering the fact that he knew about Roxas talking to Kairi.
Could go either way, I suppose. *shrugs* And now, for something completely different:
- Boss fights ending with reaction commands rather than combos. Reaction commands are like mini-cutscenes anyway, and then at least we'd get to see how the bosses are defeated, rather than them just falling down after being beaten.
(Actually, it might be even more fun if there were more boss fights like the one with Xemnas, with little cutscenes in the middle. Maybe between the different stages of attack that the boss does, or something)
((Of course, if what Square's been saying about FFvXIII and the next KH main series game is true, that might be unnecessary. xD ))
- A mini-quest involving a set of linked Heartless and Nobodies, where if you beat both of the pair, the character who they were created from comes back. Maybe a few others could only have a Hearless (some of the Organization members, maybe?), or only a Nobody. But I think it would be awesome to actually get to see some of the people you save. ^_^ It'd be a lot more fun than collecting Dalmatians, anyway. xD
- More dual-wielding. Because that's just plain fun. ^_^
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Post by Rider on Aug 10, 2007 14:48:04 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]Ventus? *shakes her head sadly* Of all the words they could have used. It just doesn't sound shiny and pretty. XD I guess that's why they gave him a nickname.[/glow] [glow=red,2,300]-YESMOREDUALWEILDINGPLZ.
-A Robin Hood world, 'cause that is classic Disney. Complete with an archery mini-game.
-Boss fights not having to end with combos or reactions commands, but, as logic demands, they die when we hit them.
-A trim for Riku. So we can see his pretty eyes.
-If we do have to hunt puppies, I want to actually see the pupples. But Pongo and Perdita need to become more responsible parents. XD 99 kids and you'd think they'd be able to keep track of one of them....[/glow] |
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Post by PFA on Aug 10, 2007 14:56:36 GMT -5
*hides from spoiler boxes* I really need to finish KH2. >_> SO here's something random I can read.  If the DTD password is all the names of the seven princesses... well, that's an insanely long password. Can you imagine having to type that password all the time? |
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Post by Ikkin on Aug 10, 2007 16:11:51 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]Ventus? *shakes her head sadly* Of all the words they could have used. It just doesn't sound shiny and pretty. XD I guess that's why they gave him a nickname.[/glow] [glow=red,2,300]-YESMOREDUALWEILDINGPLZ.
-A Robin Hood world, 'cause that is classic Disney. Complete with an archery mini-game.
-Boss fights not having to end with combos or reactions commands, but, as logic demands, they die when we hit them.
-A trim for Riku. So we can see his pretty eyes.
-If we do have to hunt puppies, I want to actually see the pupples. But Pongo and Perdita need to become more responsible parents. XD 99 kids and you'd think they'd be able to keep track of one of them....[/glow] So what would be a better word for wind, then? xD *hides from spoiler boxes* I really need to finish KH2. >_> SO here's something random I can read. If the DTD password is all the names of the seven princesses... well, that's an insanely long password. Can you imagine having to type that password all the time? It's actually so long that it couldn't actually be used as a computer password. XD There's usually length limits on those. I suppose it's one way of keeping people you don't want out, though. Even if they found the password, it would take them so long to type it that you'd probably realize they got in before they finished typing. x3 |
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Post by Rider on Aug 10, 2007 16:34:45 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]Ventus? *shakes her head sadly* Of all the words they could have used. It just doesn't sound shiny and pretty. XD I guess that's why they gave him a nickname.[/glow] [glow=red,2,300]-YESMOREDUALWEILDINGPLZ.
-A Robin Hood world, 'cause that is classic Disney. Complete with an archery mini-game.
-Boss fights not having to end with combos or reactions commands, but, as logic demands, they die when we hit them.
-A trim for Riku. So we can see his pretty eyes.
-If we do have to hunt puppies, I want to actually see the pupples. But Pongo and Perdita need to become more responsible parents. XD 99 kids and you'd think they'd be able to keep track of one of them....[/glow] So what would be a better word for wind, then? xD *hides from spoiler boxes* I really need to finish KH2. >_> SO here's something random I can read. If the DTD password is all the names of the seven princesses... well, that's an insanely long password. Can you imagine having to type that password all the time? It's actually so long that it couldn't actually be used as a computer password. XD There's usually length limits on those. I suppose it's one way of keeping people you don't want out, though. Even if they found the password, it would take them so long to type it that you'd probably realize they got in before they finished typing. x3 [glow=red,2,300]Celest or something like that, for Sky. Completely effeminate, but so is Sora. XDDDD[/glow] [glow=red,2,300]ma-b it wuz chtspk? TXTTALK PW![/glow] [glow=red,2,300]Dan is a LAZY LAZY LAZY BUM and won't log in to his own darnded account to post these theories himself. -_-;
He says the Chasers have to do with the light in people's hearts. Because when someone is turned into a heartless, the darkness in their heart becomes a Heartless adn the shell becomes a Nobody, but where does the light go? I told him I think the light goes to Kingdom Hearts, but he thinks it has something to do with the Chasers. Also, at the beginning of KH2, when Roxas is in the mansion looking at Namine's drawings, on the table you see the Heartless insignia, the Nobody insignia and Roxas draws a sun with an X through it. Dan said that this may be the symbol for the light in people's hearts.
They're good points... Now to get him to log in. *insert diabolical plotting here* [/glow] |
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