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Post by Stal on Mar 29, 2008 12:11:41 GMT -5
Alright, so there's been a lot of attempts to catch plagiarizers in the NT.
I think as long as a person can choose an obscure enough comic and no one seems to be able to find it, they should get away with it. I mean, if I take my time to deliberately copy a joke, draw it, submit it, I think it should be published. I don't want no two-bit member wannabe-detective catching me on a hunch.
So from now on, I think we should enforce that they have to have undeniable proof of the original comic.
All in favor?
And all opposed? *readies firearms*
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Post by Huntress on Mar 29, 2008 15:29:58 GMT -5
Put those firearms away, you'll poke your eye out >>
The idea has potential, but it's not exactly fair. I think we all agree that the best comic artists out there are the well-known ones. Therefore, they're more likely to be copied, and copied by good artists - no serious artist plagiarizes the work of some crummy backstreet freelancer nobody knows. And if they do, they shouldn't. Copying crap doesn't make the copy smell any better. But according to your suggestion, they would get away with it, because nobody knows the work they copied. Whereas the good artists, the ones who spent hours on copying good work, would get caught at once, because everyone knows good work, therefore making it very easy to present said undeniable proof.
Ergo, your suggestion contradicts itself.
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Post by Dan on Mar 29, 2008 15:32:36 GMT -5
People can copy my crap. =D
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Post by Stal on Mar 29, 2008 17:18:35 GMT -5
By obscure, I mean, say a lesser-known comic from Calvin and Hobbes as opposed to one that's a part of popular culture. Same artist, same works, just a more obscure one. That's what I meant. The obvious plagiarizers, the ones who haven't spent MORE time finding a comic strip/joke that no one is going to immediately recognize...they should be the ones that are sent to the dog for being lazy and obvious enough to get caught.
Besides, if people copy crap, then the result will be crappy and who really pays attention to those anyway? They've gained nothing from copying someone else's work in that sense.
And Dan, we're talking about people copying good stuff. Not yours.
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Post by Dan on Mar 29, 2008 17:29:38 GMT -5
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*throws manuscript titled "The Next Great American Novel" into the trash*
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Post by Huntress on Mar 29, 2008 17:43:19 GMT -5
Good point. But then, how do you define obscurity? I for one don't read Calvin and Hobbes (not regularly, anyway), I'm not able to tell one joke apart from the other. A die-hard fan would be able to recognize the more obscure jokes, track them down, present them to us, and poof, the hard work of our young artist down the toilet despite not having been lazy and obvious. Not to mention, what's a well-known joke for one person isn't necessarily that for another. Which also means that maybe they weren't so lazy and obvious in their own mind after all and had actually worked hard to find a good comic with a good joke. But they'd still get nailed. It gets a tad subjective.
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Post by KitClairvoyance on Mar 29, 2008 18:02:10 GMT -5
... *throws manuscript titled "The Next Great American Novel" into the trash* *pilfers it from the bin, publishes it, and goes on to make millions*
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Post by Dan on Mar 29, 2008 18:03:54 GMT -5
... *throws manuscript titled "The Next Great American Novel" into the trash* *pilfers it from the bin, publishes it, and goes on to make millions* Excuse me. I don't think you're American. Thus you can't have the Next Great American Novel. XP *does what all Americans do: sues you* <3
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Post by KitClairvoyance on Mar 29, 2008 18:08:33 GMT -5
*pilfers it from the bin, publishes it, and goes on to make millions* Excuse me. I don't think you're American. Thus you can't have the Next Great American Novel. XP *does what all Americans do: sues you* <3 You can't sue me. I've fled to international waters. I can do anything now. =D
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Post by Rider on Mar 30, 2008 11:04:49 GMT -5
Excuse me. I don't think you're American. Thus you can't have the Next Great American Novel. XP *does what all Americans do: sues you* <3 You can't sue me. I've fled to international waters. I can do anything now. =D [glow=red,2,300]Like sink. *launches a torpedo at your boat*[/glow]
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Post by Stal on Mar 30, 2008 15:00:54 GMT -5
Good point. But then, how do you define obscurity? I for one don't read Calvin and Hobbes (not regularly, anyway), I'm not able to tell one joke apart from the other. A die-hard fan would be able to recognize the more obscure jokes, track them down, present them to us, and poof, the hard work of our young artist down the toilet despite not having been lazy and obvious. Not to mention, what's a well-known joke for one person isn't necessarily that for another. Which also means that maybe they weren't so lazy and obvious in their own mind after all and had actually worked hard to find a good comic with a good joke. But they'd still get nailed. It gets a tad subjective. Everyone knows Calvin has a stuffed Tiger. And some comics are more well known, like the attack of the snowgoons. Or that Garfield hates Mondays, Spiders, Odie and loves lasagna. Usually there's more well known jokes that even the most casual fans know about. But basically, as long as someone can't immediately tell, they'll be fine. If someone actually DOES find it, well then obviously they didn't try hard enough in their plagiarism.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2008 16:45:19 GMT -5
Ahuhm!! For your information, Garfield does not hate Odie. Why... if it wasn't for that oddball, he'd have no one to kick off the table, no scapegoat and no partner-in-crime. So there. Get your facts straight.
Also, why do we even bother with this? I mean sure, those of you getting paid can take care of it, but otherwise it shouldn't really be our job to check up on what is copied and what isn't... and what's only a little bit copied. I'm not touching this one unless I get a fat check from Neopets. So I simply say that we give out warnings to people who as much as mention this stuff on the board, and if they continue... whammo with the ban-hammer! Simple and easy. We won't have to break our heads with anything.
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Post by Huntress on Mar 31, 2008 5:25:01 GMT -5
...Hobbes is a stuffed tiger? *goes to wiki a little and weed out her comic-world-ignorance* I see your point, but that still leaves my point valid.
Leoness is on to something there, though. Since we're in no shape or form affiliated with Neopets, it's actually none of our concern either way. Ergo, there's even no need to banhammer. Might as well let 'em do what they want. We're the mods of the NTWF, not the NT.
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